# Why did Obama win/Hillary lose the nomination? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 7, 2008, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-obama-win-hillary-lose-the-nomination/452146 "2008-06-07T17:43:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-obama-win-hillary-lose-the-nomination/452146/61 "2008-06-10T17:07:50Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] As a talking head on MSNBC said this morning, “The Clintons will never leave the building.” [/QUOTE] ElvisL1ves! ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2008, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-obama-win-hillary-lose-the-nomination/452146/62 "2008-06-10T17:37:10Z")
[QUOTE=EddyTeddyFreddy] Also, on YouTube, the videos put up by the Obama campaign were open to comments and, as far as I could tell, that meant open to ALL comments, negative as well as positive. The Clinton campaign’s videos (such as they were) on YouTube did not allow comments. That said a lot to me about the two candidates. [/QUOTE] I wasn’t aware of that, but it figures. Hillary reminds me of some of the bad points of Bush. This seems just like Bush not allowing anyone unprogrammed to speak the party line into rallies. When the Super Tuesday shock and awe plan failed, she had no backup. She went negative far too often, and it showed. She seemed to have a real problem admitting she was wrong - I got the feeling that four years into a Clinton presidency, she, like Bush, wouldn’t be able to come up with an answer when asked about mistakes she had made. Despite her so-called experience, Obama was far better organized than she was. Plus, she let Obama set the tone for the campaign. She, and the Republicans, just sounded stupid trying to get on the change bandwagon, like Fred saying that the real way to change was to go back to 1783. ---
**Author:** ![Merkwurdigliebe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/74df32/32.png) [@Merkwurdigliebe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merkwurdigliebe)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2008, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-obama-win-hillary-lose-the-nomination/452146/63 "2008-06-10T18:27:40Z")
Remember the [helicopter tour](http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/12/16/politics/fromtheroad/entry3623767.shtml) ? That’s a fine example of how she managed to seem entitled, out of touch, and bad with funds in one fell swoop. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2008, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-obama-win-hillary-lose-the-nomination/452146/64 "2008-06-10T18:37:47Z")
Obama includes the people in his speeches. He is always saying things like **we** will change the nation, **we** will come together, and other things like that. With Hillary it is always about what she alone can do. Talk about disengaging the people from politics, one candidate says we’ll change the nation while the other says sit back and let me do everything. One of these people doesn’t understand that change doesn’t come from one person, it comes from a large movement of the people. The community organizer gets this. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2008, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-obama-win-hillary-lose-the-nomination/452146/65 "2008-06-10T19:15:54Z")
[QUOTE=Lakai] Obama includes the people in his speeches. He is always saying things like **we** will change the nation, **we** will come together, and other things like that. With Hillary it is always about what she alone can do. Talk about disengaging the people from politics, one candidate says we’ll change the nation while the other says sit back and let me do everything. One of these people doesn’t understand that change doesn’t come from one person, it comes from a large movement of the people. The community organizer gets this. [/QUOTE] Agreed – this struck me again and again, how the Obama rhetorical focus (and the machinery of his campaign) put “us” center stage, while with Clinton it was overwhelmingly “me”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-obama-win-hillary-lose-the-nomination/452146.md?page=3)