# Why did the FBI lie about Carter Page on the FISA warrent? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 13, 2018, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524 "2018-08-13T15:34:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524/301 "2019-12-17T17:33:46Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > I’m not reading the OP as some MAGA guy. Maybe more like “the Bilderbergs control the world’s tungsten supply!” > > In any case, I agree that his deep, deep, deeeeeeeeeep concern for Carter Page has nothing to do with a whole host of Trump associates being on their way to prison because of connections to Russia’s election interference. No, he is definitely MAGA all the way. Read his posts in other threads. He just refuses to admit it in this thread, probably because he’s trying to make this seem like genuine concern rather than partisan desperate hopes. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524/302 "2019-12-17T17:45:05Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > No, he is definitely MAGA all the way. Read his posts in other threads. Ah, I see now. But I would contend it is BOTH MAGA and conspiracy theories. Look back through the threads he started, like the one about the government conspiring to kill MLK, how James Earl Ray’s gun wasn’t used, how an uncontested verdict proves malfeasance… it is quite “interesting.” ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524/303 "2019-12-17T17:49:43Z")
MAGA is essentially all based on conspiracy theories. George Soros. Obama spying. Ukraine interfered with the 2016 election and not Russia. Pizza gate. Lock her up. If you take the CTs out of MAGA, what is left? ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524/304 "2019-12-17T18:03:46Z")
You have clear evidence here of systemic FBI misconduct with regards to the Russia probe and all people can do is focus on whether someone is a Trump supporter or not. This is how far people will go to not see the plain truth right in front of their eyes, a classic case of cognitive dissonance. Most news sources are waking up to the fact that they have been “had” with respect to this story. A lot of news folks are embarrassed because the IG Report has revealed the lies they have been pushing to the public. This is the tip of the iceberg and all should be revealed by the time John Durham is done. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524/305 "2019-12-17T18:04:59Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Jesus, why can’t you just spit out what you’re trying to say, and stop tap-dancing around it? > > Are you saying that the whole “Russia tried to get Trump elected so they intervened in our election” is a hoax? It’s obviously a “hoax”, how can you not see that? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524/306 "2019-12-17T18:11:11Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > It’s obviously a “hoax”, how can you not see that? And yet, Paul Manafort and Roger Stone are in prison, and Hillary Clinton has been cleared of wrongdoing. Sorry that reality can be harsh sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524/307 "2019-12-17T18:13:31Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > MAGA is essentially all based on conspiracy theories. George Soros. Obama spying. Ukraine interfered with the 2016 election and not Russia. Pizza gate. Lock her up. > > If you take the CTs out of MAGA, what is left? Technically, racism and conspiracy theories aren’t exactly the same thing. There’s also pure silliness, like assertions that Trump has been chosen by God or that he’s cleaning up Washington. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524/308 "2019-12-17T18:14:12Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > And yet, Paul Manafort and Roger Stone are in prison, and Hillary Clinton has been cleared of wrongdoing. > > Sorry that reality can be harsh sometimes. Yeah, but their convictions had nothing to do with conspiring with the Russians. Roger Stone isn’t in prison at the moment, get your facts straight. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524/309 "2019-12-17T18:19:51Z")
Are these reporters MAGA Trump lovers too? Matt Taibbi [Horowitz Report Reveals the Steele Dossier Was Always a Joke](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/horowitz-report-steele-dossier-collusion-news-media-924944/) Aaron Mate [IG report exposes FBI, Congressional, and media deceit in Russia probe](https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/16/ig-report-exposes-fbi-congressional-and-media-deceit-in-russia-probe/) ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524/310 "2019-12-17T18:21:49Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Yeah, but their convictions had nothing to do with conspiring with the Russians. Stone was texting with Russian intelligence agents to prepare for a Wikileaks dump of stolen emails. I mean, how that doesn’t qualify as “conspiring with the Russians” has got to be the weirdest MAGA spin I’ve ever encountered. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524/311 "2019-12-17T18:24:32Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Yeah, but their convictions had nothing to do with conspiring with the Russians. False. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524/312 "2019-12-17T18:25:03Z")
> [@sciurophobic](#): > > Was anybody else charged with anything as a result of the Page surveillance? Or even investigated? The Page surveillance opens the door for the FBI to spy on any one that Page had contact with and anyone that had contact with anyone that Page had contact with. It’s called the “two hop rule”. [The FBI’s secret warrant to surveil Carter Page should scare all Americans and spur reform](https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/fbi-s-secret-warrant-surveil-carter-page-should-scare-all-ncna852131) ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524/313 "2019-12-17T18:28:23Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > False. Prove that it’s false, provide the charges for what Manafort and Stone were convicted of. Also keep in mind when Mueller was appointed as Special Counsel the FBI knew the Steele Dossier was bogus and the FBI Attorney that altered the email was a member of the Mueller team. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524/314 "2019-12-17T18:29:27Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Stone was texting with Russian intelligence agents to prepare for a Wikileaks dump of stolen emails. > > I mean, how that doesn’t qualify as “conspiring with the Russians” has got to be the weirdest MAGA spin I’ve ever encountered. There’s no proof of that because that’s not what happened. Provide a cite for it. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524/315 "2019-12-17T18:30:36Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > There’s no proof of that because that’s not what happened. Provide a cite for it. > **[Trump Confidant Roger Stone Admits Chats With DNC Hacker](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-confidant-roger-stone-admits-chats-with-dnc-hacker)** > > Claims the talks with Guccifer 2.0 were “innocuous.” ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524/316 "2019-12-17T18:36:06Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Prove that it’s false, provide the charges for what Manafort and Stone were convicted of. From Manafort’s guilty plea, “MANAFORT engaged in a variety of criminal schemes, and knowingly, intentionally, and willfully conspired with Richard W. Gates, Konstantin Kilimnik, and others to carry out the criminal schemes that make up Counts One and Two of the Information, as more fully set forth below.” ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524/317 "2019-12-17T18:44:09Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > [Trump Confidant Roger Stone Admits Chats With DNC Hacker](https://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2017/03/10/trump-confidant-roger-stone-admits-chats-with-dnc-hacker) Counter Narrative: [Hacker: Guccifer 2.0 Planted Fake Russian Fingerprints On His Account](https://bigleaguepolitics.com/hacker-guccifer-2-0-planted-fake-russian-fingerprints-account/) > [@](#): > > So… because of the matching RSIDs we know the Russian stylesheets we see in all 3 documents were all from the same original document and revision session,” Carter said. “Because the content in each document has different RSIDs we also know the content was added later to the files. So, effectively, content from real DNC documents were copied into the pre-tainted ‘Russian’ template files. Which is bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524/318 "2019-12-17T18:45:11Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > From Manafort’s guilty plea, “MANAFORT engaged in a variety of criminal schemes, and knowingly, intentionally, and willfully conspired with Richard W. Gates, Konstantin Kilimnik, and others to carry out the criminal schemes that make up Counts One and Two of the Information, as more fully set forth below.” Crimes committed before he joined the Trump campaign and before Trump declared his candidacy. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524/319 "2019-12-17T18:50:50Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > It’s obviously a “hoax”, how can you not see that? How does the exoneration of Carter Page make this a “hoax”? Are 17 intelligence agencies concluding that Russia interfered in the 2016 election part of this “hoax”? Are those already indited and convicted also victims of the “hoax”? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524/320 "2019-12-17T18:55:42Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Crimes committed before he joined the Trump campaign and before Trump declared his candidacy. :smack: Right. Because Trump is MAGA-Jesus. Once you accept Trump into your heart, you are absolved of all prior sins. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-did-the-fbi-lie-about-carter-page-on-the-fisa-warrent/819524.md?page=17)