Hey; there’s the answer to my question! Now, how should this be done, if investigating is not allowed? :dubious:
The OP is an exercise in ridiculousness, presenting an argument that cannot be backed up or concluded. It rebukes the investigation for not already knowing what it would find out. It is just stupidity in written form.
Take a look at this unclassified memo: FISA Abuses at the DOJ and the FBI
In the memo it is determined that the “Steele Dossier” formed an essential part the the Carter Page FISA application. We know who paid for the dossier and surely the FBI knew as well. They also knew that Carter Page wasn’t acting as an agent of Russia since their “intel” is out of the unverified dossier. The FBI is either lying or stupendously incompetent.
EasyPhil, you keep throwing up.
The memo is based on Devin Nunes Republican Led Majority committee, and is not a finding in a court of law. That the “Steele Dossier” formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application is alleged by the committee, but is a judgement call. The committee did not lay out evidence for how it came to this determination, and provides some cherry picked after the FISA warrants had been signed off and renewed multiple times. Hardly clear cut as you posit.
Wait, there are still people who trust Devin Nunes?
I’m surprised you guys let this one go. That’s not what the Mueller report found at all. Instead, it would be more accurate to say that there was a lot of evidence that leaned toward conspiracy but that it couldn’t be proven. ‘Insufficient evidence’ is not the equivalent to ‘no evidence’.
Christ, next we’ll end up debating the meaning of ‘collusion’.
China_Guy:
EasyPhil, you keep throwing up.
The memo is based on Devin Nunes Republican Led Majority committee, and is not a finding in a court of law. That the “Steele Dossier” formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application is alleged by the committee, but is a judgement call. The committee did not lay out evidence for how it came to this determination, and provides some cherry picked after the FISA warrants had been signed off and renewed multiple times. Hardly clear cut as you posit.
The memo outlines how the FISA court was misled, how information wasn’t disclosed with respect to where the “intel” came from.
Jonathan_Chance:
I’m surprised you guys let this one go. That’s not what the Mueller report found at all. Instead, it would be more accurate to say that there was a lot of evidence that leaned toward conspiracy but that it couldn’t be proven. ‘Insufficient evidence’ is not the equivalent to ‘no evidence’.
Christ, next we’ll end up debating the meaning of ‘collusion’.
There’s either a conspiracy or there isn’t one. No conspiracy was found.
Friendly reminder that there were 10 specific examples that may constitute obstruction of justice cited within the Muller report. Part of the problem with obstruction of justice is that it makes it really hard to tell if “conspiracy” existed. Which is why obstruction of justice is a crime regardless of whether the investigation you are obstructing returns a guilty verdict or not.
Also, friendly reminder that Devin Nunes was at the head of the House’s investigation into Russia, which, as it turns out, was a total whitewash . In fact, things go so bad the house ethics committee publicly recommended he be removed from the investigation due to ethics concerns . Taking him at his word is akin to taking Trump at his word - a very, very bad idea.
And even if they didn’t find any evidence (they did, but for the sake of argument), that wouldn’t prove that Carter Page wasn’t a foreign agent. It would prove nothing.
Yet despite a lack of evidence and total debunkings, you believe various conspiracies about Clinton.
Whitey Bulger was an FBI informant too. Does that make him any less a criminal?
From the IG Report Page 126:
The FISA request form drew almost entirely from Steele’s reporting in
Is that your way of saying that the IG’s pretty clearly shows that the basis of this thread was a false premise?
No, it backs up my claim that the FBI lied about Carter Page.
You link a bunch of stuff that clearly connects Page to Russia, then claim the FBI lied about Page being connected to Russia?
The application’s statement of facts supporting probable cause to believe that Page was an agent of Russia was broken down into five main elements:
The fifth one alone is probably enough for a FISA warrant.
From page 186-197 of the IG Report
The FBI conducted interviews of the Primary Sub-source in January, March, and May 2017 that raised significant questions about the reliability of the Steele election reporting. In particular, the FBI’s interview with Steele’s Primary Subsource in January 2017, shortly after the FBI filed the Carter Page FISA Renewal Application No. 1 and months prior to Renewal Application No. 2, raised doubts about the reliability of Steele’s descriptions of information in his election reports. During the FBI’s January interview, at which Case Agent 1, the Supervisory Intel Analyst, and representatives of NSD were present, the Primary Sub-source told the FBI that he/she had not seen Steele’s reports until they became public that month, and that he/she made statements indicating that Steele misstated or exaggerated the Primary Sub-source’s statements in multiple sections of the reporting. 336 For example, the Primary Sub-source told the FBI that, while Report 80 stated that Trump’s alleged sexual activities at the Ritz Carlton hotel in Moscow had been “confirmed” by a senior, western staff member at the hotel, the Primary Sub-source explained that he/she reported to Steele that Trump’s alleged unorthodox sexual activity at the Ritz Carlton hotel was “rumor and speculation” and that he/she had not been able to confirm the story. A second example provided by the Primary Sub-source was Report 134’s description of a meeting allegedly held between Carter Page and Igor Sechin, the President of Rosneft, a Russian energy conglomerate. 337 Report 134 stated t hat, according to a “close associate” of Sechin, Sechin offered “PAGE/TRUMP’s associates the brokerage of up to a 19 percent (privatized) stake in Rosneft” in return for the lifting of sanctions against the company. 338 The Primary Sub-source told the FBI that one of his/ her subsources furnished information for that part of Report 134 through a text message, but said that the sub-source never stated that Sechin had offered a brokerage interest to Page. 339 We reviewed the texts and did not find any discussion of a bribe, whether as an interest in Rosneft itself or a “brokerage.”
On page 190 of the IG Report:
As discussed in Chapter Eight, Carter Page FISA Renewal Application Nos. 2 and 3 advised the court that following the January interview with the Primary Subsource, “the FBI found the Russian-based sub-source to be truthful and cooperative.” Renewal Application Nos. 2 and 3 continued to rely on the Steele information, without any revisions or notice to the court that the Primary Subsource contradicted the Steele election reporting on key issues described in the renewal applications. We found no evidence that the Crossfire Hurricane team ever considered whether any of the inconsistencies warranted reconsideration of the FBl’s previous assessment of the reliability of the Steele election reports, or notice to 01 or the court for the subsequent renewal applications.
Read the IG report.
Wait, you mean the same Steele guy who was close friends with Ivanka Trump? You really glossed over that part.
Is your theory here that the Javanka set up Carter Page?
Ravenman:
Wait, you mean the same Steele guy who was close friends with Ivanka Trump? You really glossed over that part.
Is your theory here that the Javanka set up Carter Page?
What’s that got to do with the FBI lying about Carter Page? Please stay on topic.
