# Why didn't any of you bastards tell me how wonderful DOCTOR WHO is? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 15, 2011, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178 "2011-07-15T21:24:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/182 "2011-08-11T03:51:29Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I suspect it may have something to do with the fact that he \*was \*in command during the Time Wars, and doesn’t like being reminded of it. Is that what it is? Hmmmm. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/183 "2011-08-11T07:46:11Z")
> [@barney5\_99](#): > > Ok here are the clues I now know about River Song .. she is Amy’s daughter…and she is in prison for killing a “very important man”… > does anyone else think that man is the Doctor? > And who is her father? rory or the doctor? remember the baby did exist in 2 different dimensions at one time.. (episode #160 The Doctor’s Wife) he was scanning the baby with the Tardis I’m glad I read this spoiler, as that totally ruins the character for me. If it’s Amy and Rory’s daughter, then she’s not important. If she’s Amy and the Doctor’s daughter, that means they once again are putting the Doctor back into what made Rose a sucky character. The Doctor is not a pedophile. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/184 "2011-08-11T12:38:16Z")
I don’t see why that would ruin the character for you. She’s still got TIME HEAD! -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/185 "2011-08-11T14:09:25Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > The universe ended when the TARDIS exploded. But the Doctor took the Pandorica into the storm and recreated the universe. That is what made Rory be recreated as human. The Pandorica recreated everything and restored it as if the cracks hadn’t happened, thus restoring Amy’s parents. Amy’s memory only came into play in bringing The Doctor back from nonexistence. He recreated everything else. Did the Pandoricaactually restore her parents, or did the Doctor plant the memory? ---
**Author:** ![Marlitharn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/779978/32.png) [@Marlitharn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marlitharn)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/186 "2011-08-11T16:47:22Z")
Regarding that whole good man thing, the Doctor specifically told Eyepatch lady that he is NOT a good man. “Good men don’t need rules,” he said. “Now’s not the time to ask yourself why I have so many.” So yeah, that seems to point towards Rory biting it. Again. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/187 "2011-08-11T16:56:08Z")
The most recent rumors found on io9 indicate the spoilered conjectures about the future are all wrong! What matters to me: _Doctor Who_ resumes on BBCamerica August 27th. Until then, my Comcast On Demand has all the Matt Smith shows to date. Just added: Doctor Who Confidentials for the last season. Only 15 minutes each–edited from the UK versions? But all free, anyway… And, just in case anybody has missed this–all the New Who episodes since Eccleston’s first through the first season of Matt Smith are available on Netflix Streaming. (Along with an assortment of Earlier Who.) ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/188 "2011-08-11T17:40:42Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Only 15 minutes each–edited from the UK versions? But all free, anyway… The BBC do a 15 minute version as well, but the full length is currently 45 mins. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/189 "2011-08-11T20:58:08Z")
**BigT** , I don’t see how If it’s Amy and Rory’s daughter, then she’s not important. Remember, She was conceived in the TARDIS in the vortex, and as pointed out, has “time head”. The little girl running around from Florida and regenerative is supposed to be her, we think. So she’s not merely human, she’s a human Time Lord. Or something. And anyway, she’s apparently the Doctor’s love interest - that makes her important even without the time head. Plus, she’s apparently got independent time travel from the Doctor. That in itself makes her interesting. **Lute Skywatcher** , to the best of my understanding, The explosion of the TARDIS was the cause of the cracks in space time. The cracks in space time were what absorbed Amy’s parents and made them not exist. By taking the Pandorica into the explosion, he “reset” the universe without the explosion, which reset without the rifts, which means her parents were never consumed in the first place. The only role Amy’s memory played in the picture was he primed her special memory to remember _him_, so that she would remember him back into existence. Her memory was special because of her time in the TARDIS. But I could be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/190 "2011-08-11T22:22:02Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > Plus any time spent watching Rose Tyler is time well spent. Very well spent! ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/191 "2011-08-12T00:23:52Z")
How did Martha Jones go from dead Torchwood employee to live medical student in the span of two episodes? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/192 "2011-08-12T00:30:29Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > How did Martha Jones go from dead Torchwood employee to live medical student in the span of two episodes? That was her cousin. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/193 "2011-08-12T01:34:05Z")
Looked just like her. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/194 "2011-08-12T01:40:42Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Looked just like her. Her _identical_ cousin. Also, the pathologist who dealt with the space pig in a _Doctor Who_ episode was really Tosh from _Torchwood_, working undercover. And Gwen (also of _Torchwood_) had a distant (yet identical) relative who met Charles Dickens in another _Doctor Who_ episode. It’s uncanny, I tell you! ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/195 "2011-08-12T01:57:22Z")
Speaking of Torchwood, the guy who played Ianto was on Warehouse 13 this week, playing sidekick to Jaime Murray’s character in the 1890’s. I wonder if he’ll be in the spinoff series. ---
**Author:** ![Apollyon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/apollyon/32/4238_2.png) [@Apollyon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apollyon)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/196 "2011-08-12T02:17:28Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > And Gwen (also of _Torchwood_) had a distant (yet identical) relative who met Charles Dickens in another _Doctor Who_ episode. Which they [hung a lampshade on](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LampshadeHanging) in one of the later Doctor Who stories where the Torchwood crew appear when the Doctor asked Gwen if her family had lived in the area for a long time. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/197 "2011-08-12T02:19:12Z")
They haven’t yet suggested that Amy is descended from a Pompeiian oracle, however. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/198 "2011-08-12T03:40:07Z")
Starting Series 5 over again–Rory drives a Paddy Hopkirk Replica REAL Mini Cooper! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/199 "2011-08-12T14:21:58Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > But I could be wrong. I think you are. The one in her room? The Doctor closes it from the other side. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/200 "2011-08-18T22:39:42Z")
Just finished series 4. Wow, an amazing end. I don’t like that they mind-sweeped Donna, though. Just the 4 specials and then it is Matt Smith time. To be honest, my wife and I love David Tenant, so we’re kind of dreading his finale. I hope Matt Smith is good. ---
**Author:** ![Apollyon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/apollyon/32/4238_2.png) [@Apollyon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apollyon)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/201 "2011-08-19T00:18:32Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Just finished series 4. > > Wow, an amazing end. I don’t like that they mind-sweeped Donna, though. Yeah, the Doctor-Donna was a lot of fun. 🙂 And yeah… on the outcome too. ☹ > [@](#): > > Just the 4 specials and then it is Matt Smith time. To be honest, my wife and I love David Tenant, so we’re kind of dreading his finale. > > I hope Matt Smith is good. I felt much the same way. I grew up with the idea of changing Doctors (Pertwee, Doctor #3 was the first I saw on TV and had seen all of them at one time or another), but Tenant had done so very well in the role in the new series that it was worrying to see where it would go with a new Doctor. YMMV of course, but by the end of the first Matt Smith episode I had no worries left – completely different to Tennant, and still completely the Doctor. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178.md?page=11)