# Why didn't any of you bastards tell me how wonderful DOCTOR WHO is? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 15, 2011, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178 "2011-07-15T21:24:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Marlitharn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/779978/32.png) [@Marlitharn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marlitharn)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/101 "2011-07-21T00:14:53Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > See, I thought Martha was the most competant and professional of all the Companions, refusing to hog the spotlight and never acting like she was smarter than the Doctor. > > Rose was his soulmate, Donna was his best frined, but Martha was his assistant and protege. I don’t know what the hell Amy is. I get a kid sister kind of vibe with Amy. He’s all protective and superior, and obviously she adores and worships him, but she’s just as protective of him and has no problem telling him when he’s being an idiot. I could totally see the two of them sitting in the back of the TARDIS yelling “Slugbug!” and punching each other while Rory is screaming, “I WILL TURN THIS THING AROUND AND GO STRAIGHT HOME!!” ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/102 "2011-07-21T01:15:39Z")
**Tangu** - all true and thanks for the additional information. I think I just have a soft spot for Eight. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/103 "2011-07-21T02:06:37Z")
> [@Apollyon](#): > > Ahh… Rory moment of awesome: > > [spoiler]\*\*Rory \*\*[_to leaders of a Cybermen legion_]: I have a message and a question: a message from the Doctor and a question from me. Where is my wife? [_The Cybermen do not respond_] Oh, don’t give me those blank looks. The Twelfth Cyber Legion monitors this entire quadrant. You hear everything. So you tell me what I need to know, you tell me now, and I’ll be on my way. > > \*\*Cyber Leader: \*\*What is the Doctor’s message? > > [_A complex space base of Cybermen operations explodes in the window behind Rory_] > > **Rory** : Would you like me to repeat the question? > [/spoiler] How many Crowning Moments of Awesome is one allowed? He had at least two, so far. I think I will watch it again. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/104 "2011-07-21T02:20:31Z")
Yeah, I like Eight too (and Seven, who’s almost as loathed as Six)…but he had a far too short canon tenure, which was all I was comparing. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/105 "2011-07-21T02:46:58Z")
Liked Six. Disliked Seven’s wig. Knew too many guys back then with perms like that. ---
**Author:** ![WotNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e19b73/32.png) [@WotNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WotNot)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/106 "2011-07-21T07:36:49Z")
> [@Tengu](#): > > Be that as it may, he only appeared in one canon story, rather than licensed non-or-pseudo-canon\*. Ooh, you said “canon”. The position of the BBC is that there is no official canon. Fans have never agreed as to what might constitute an unofficial canon. You may seek agreement to voluntarily limit the present discussion to the TV series if you wish, but you cannot play the canon card in this game. There is no canon. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/107 "2011-07-21T12:45:44Z")
> [@Marlitharn](#): > > I get a kid sister kind of vibe with Amy. He’s all protective and superior, and obviously she adores and worships him, but she’s just as protective of him and has no problem telling him when he’s being an idiot. I could totally see the two of them sitting in the back of the TARDIS yelling “Slugbug!” and punching each other while Rory is screaming, “I WILL TURN THIS THING AROUND AND GO STRAIGHT HOME!!” Yes, very much. 🙂 I just wanted to please remind everyone that some of us benighted souls do not have BBC America and haven’t seen any of Season 6 (it’s on my queue, but as a “long wait”) so we very much appreciate the spoilers. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/108 "2011-07-21T13:43:18Z")
> [@Marlitharn](#): > > I get a kid sister kind of vibe with Amy. Close. I saw or read an interview with either Smith or Moffat where they explained that in the Doctor’s eye, Amy is still very much little 7-year-old Amelia. ---
**Author:** ![Monkey\_Chews](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@Monkey\_Chews](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monkey_Chews)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/109 "2011-07-21T14:43:41Z")
> [@WotNot](#): > > You may seek agreement to voluntarily limit the present discussion to the TV series if you wish, but you cannot play the canon card in this game. > > There is no canon. Exactly what I was gonna say. There is no Doctor Who canon. No-one’s ever imposed one, no-one with authority or ownership has ever felt the need. Thank god. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/110 "2011-07-21T15:09:14Z")
> [@KneadToKnow](#): > > Close. I saw or read an interview with either Smith or Moffat where they explained that in the Doctor’s eye, Amy is still very much little 7-year-old Amelia. “Where should we take the kids this time?” (If you saw That Episode, you recognize the quotation. If you haven’t seen it yet, I envy you. Keep watching!) ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/111 "2011-07-21T16:11:52Z")
> [@KneadToKnow](#): > > Close. I saw or read an interview with either Smith or Moffat where they explained that in the Doctor’s eye, Amy is still very much little 7-year-old Amelia. Yes, hence the Doctor providing Amy and Rory with bunk-beds in the Tardis. ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/112 "2011-07-21T21:21:03Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > Yes, hence the Doctor providing Amy and Rory with bunk-beds in the Tardis. But bunk beds are cool! They’ve got ladders and everything. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/113 "2011-07-21T23:06:18Z")
> [@WotNot](#): > > There is no canon. The Doctor has so messed up that whole timey-wimey thing that a single canon would be impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/114 "2011-07-21T23:17:23Z")
> [@Marlitharn](#): > > I get a kid sister kind of vibe with Amy. He’s all protective and superior, and obviously she adores and worships him, but she’s just as protective of him and has no problem telling him when he’s being an idiot. I could totally see the two of them sitting in the back of the TARDIS yelling “Slugbug!” and punching each other while Rory is screaming, “I WILL TURN THIS THING AROUND AND GO STRAIGHT HOME!!” I think the Doctor’s interactions with Amy are more complicated than big-brother/little sister, if only because she maks no bones about wanting to sleep with him. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/115 "2011-07-21T23:28:17Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I think the Doctor’s interactions with Amy are more complicated than big-brother/little sister, if only because she maks no bones about wanting to sleep with him. The Doctor clearly doesn’t reciprocate, at least in this incarnation. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/116 "2011-07-21T23:39:13Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > The Doctor clearly doesn’t reciprocate, at least in this incarnation. I didn’t say he reciprocated. I said that the simple fact that _she_ wants to fuck\* him\* – badly enough to tease him about it _on her wedding night to another man_ – adds an element to the relationship that makes _fraternal_ the wrong word. Also note that in the episode in which the Doctor, Amy, and Rory hallucinate that they are being reunited after 5 years apart, it’s pretty explicit that Amy is being obliged to choose between the two men in her life; and it’s the Doctor whose subconscious is generating the situation. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/117 "2011-07-22T00:16:45Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I didn’t say he reciprocated. I said that the simple fact that _she_ wants to fuck\* him\* – badly enough to tease him about it _on her wedding night to another man_ – adds an element to the relationship that makes _fraternal_ the wrong word. Cool, cool, see what you mean. 🙂 > [@](#): > > Also note that in the episode in which the Doctor, Amy, and Rory hallucinate that they are being reunited after 5 years apart, it’s pretty explicit that Amy is being obliged to choose between the two men in her life; and it’s the Doctor whose subconscious is generating the situation. Or is it? The Doctor/Companion relationship isn’t as straightforward as that, at least not in the revival, with echoes way back to the older stuff. Remember that the Doctor isn’t a man, for a start. ---
**Author:** ![Apollyon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/apollyon/32/4238_2.png) [@Apollyon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apollyon)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/118 "2011-07-22T00:32:21Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > …adds an element to the relationship that makes _fraternal_ the wrong word. At least for most families. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/119 "2011-07-22T01:21:11Z")
> [@Apollyon](#): > > At least for most families. 🙂 Well, she’s Scottish. You know how lonesome it can get in the Highlands. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/120 "2011-07-22T02:26:10Z")
I’m only on series 3. Are my wife and I alone in that we greatly prefer the stand-alone “time travel” episodes to the arc-related robot stories? We just watched **The Shakespeare Code** and thought it was probably the best episodes we’ve seen. Anything involving Cybermen or Daleks and the two of us know it won’t be a great, great episode. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178.md?page=7)