# Why didn't any of you bastards tell me how wonderful DOCTOR WHO is? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 15, 2011, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178 "2011-07-15T21:24:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Apollyon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/apollyon/32/4238_2.png) [@Apollyon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apollyon)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/142 "2011-07-26T20:40:37Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > I agree, I liked Martha. > > I could have done without her falling in love with the Doctor, but eventually after she leaves and marries someone else, so that’s fixed. Yeah but… [spoiler]She married the _tin dog_! 😛 Actually I liked Mickey a lot – and he did a great deal of growing up in the course of the stories.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/143 "2011-07-26T20:51:05Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I’m guessing you missed the “year of specials”. \*The Last Doctor \*and _the Planet of the Dead_ are both skippable, but \*the Waters of Mars \*and especially _the End of Time_ (a 2-parter) are terrific, and feature the best work Tennant did in the role. Ah ok thanks… yeah, I’m just watching them in order as Netflix presents them to me. I’ll have to look up the movies and fit them in. I’m still not impressed at all with Doctor #11, tho. It’s worse than suffering through #5 and #6 all over again IMO. The writing still seems to have fallen off as well. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/144 "2011-07-26T22:26:41Z")
btw, what order are those in? ETA: I figure _The Next Doctor_ must be right before S5 started, but what about the others? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/145 "2011-07-27T00:15:28Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > btw, what order are those in? > > ETA: I figure _The Next Doctor_ must be right before S5 started, but what about the others? Nope, it’s The Next Doctor Planet of the Dead Waters of Mars The End of Time ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/146 "2011-07-27T00:21:51Z")
I thought we did tell you, and you handwaved it away! Or has somebody been tampering with my mind again… ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/147 "2011-07-27T00:25:13Z")
Ah ok ty… neither _The Next Doctor_ or _Planet of the Dead_ is available streaming, but the other 2 are, so I’ll at least be able to catch up with the 2 that were recommended. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/148 "2011-07-27T00:31:03Z")
> [@Apollyon](#): > > Yeah but… > > [spoiler]She married the _tin dog_! 😛 > > Actually I liked Mickey a lot – and he did a great deal of growing up in the course of the stories.[/spoiler] Ricky grew a lot. It’s something I love about this show: people come out of it different from how they came in. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/149 "2011-07-27T00:33:18Z")
Rose was too young for me. Billie Piper has since grown into her face. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/150 "2011-07-27T00:46:37Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Ah ok ty… neither _The Next Doctor_ or _Planet of the Dead_ is available streaming, but the other 2 are, so I’ll at least be able to catch up with the 2 that were recommended. The Next Doctor is available streaming. It’s not a separate, it’s listed as the last episode of season 4. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/151 "2011-07-27T04:05:13Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > The Next Doctor is available streaming. It’s not a separate, it’s listed as the last episode of season 4. Oh yeah, ok I watched that. For some reason, tho, if you search for it it comes up as a movie that’s not available streaming. That was definitely the weakest episode of S4. I’m halfway through _The End Of Time_ now, and yeah, it’s bloody brilliant. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2011, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/152 "2011-07-31T02:06:27Z")
Wow. I just watched Blink, a Doctor-lite episode. But it was really good. My wife and I have felt that Series 3 is the best one so far. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2011, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/153 "2011-07-31T02:13:12Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Wow. > > I just watched Blink, a Doctor-lite episode. But it was really good. My wife and I have felt that Series 3 is the best one so far. Blink is widely considered to be one of the best of the New Who episodes. It is a shame that Sally Sparrow couldn’t have become a Companion. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/154 "2011-08-01T01:25:26Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > But that’s not true - it makes things never exist. Things that never existed can be brought back by remembering. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/155 "2011-08-01T03:27:37Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Blink is widely considered to be one of the best of the New Who episodes. It is a shame that Sally Sparrow couldn’t have become a Companion. I agree and said the same thing to my wife. She and her boyfriend should have traveled with the Doctor. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/156 "2011-08-01T03:55:02Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Blink is widely considered to be one of the best of the New Who episodes. It is a shame that Sally Sparrow couldn’t have become a Companion. I’m still holding out for her to be the next companion after the Ponds. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/157 "2011-08-01T04:33:37Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I’m still holding out for her to be the next companion after the Ponds. This. Sally Sparrow and Wilf should go on and the Ponds have a daughter to raise. ETA: For newbies, Wilfred Mott, Donna’s grandad, is played by Bernard Cribbins, the “hotel inspector” on Fawlty Towers. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/158 "2011-08-05T02:02:39Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > ETA: For newbies, Wilfred Mott, Donna’s grandad, is played by Bernard Cribbins, the “hotel inspector” on Fawlty Towers. Wow, that is really cool. So both he and John Cleese have been on Doctor Who. 🙂 The wife and I just watched the season 4 premiere. The Doctor briefly acquires a second sonic device(a pen), but he throws it away in a trash can at the end of the episode. Why in the world did he not give it to Donna? I mean he could do that cool “double sonic blast” thing any time he wanted. Weird. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/159 "2011-08-05T12:28:18Z")
That other sonic device came from a suspicious source–Miss Foster, who was up to no good. I picked up a copy of [Doctor Who: The Writer’s Tale: The Final Chapter](http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doctor-Who-Writers-Final-Chapter/dp/184607861X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312546349&sr=8-1) at Half Price Books. It consists of e-mail correspondence between showrunner Russell T Davies & [Benjamin Cook](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Cook), beginning as Series 3 of New Who was being broadcast & Series 4 was being planned, along with Series 2 of _Torchwood_ & the beginning of the _Sarah Jane Adventures_. I’m up to the announcement of the show’s turnover to Steven Moffat & the writing of _Children of The Earth_. Davies has several specials & David Tennant’s last episodes to write (& produce!) & there’s a picture of Matt Smith at the end. Davies is an amusing writer (duh!) & also draws excellent cartoons. He’s exhausted by keeping all those projects going but loves his work. For a fan, there are wonderful glimpses of the actors & other folks involved. Plus a fascinating view of how stories begin & how then eventually make it to the screen. ---
**Author:** ![barney5\_99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@barney5\_99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/barney5_99)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/160 "2011-08-06T02:37:53Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Watch all the new Who. The first season has the Doctor (Christopher Eccleston) and Rose Tyler. > > The next two seasons are the Doctor (David Tennet) and Rose Tyler. > > The fourth season had David Tennet and Martha Jones. > > The fifth season had David Tennet and Donna Noble. > > Then the one you watched. > > And this season is the same Doctor and Amy Pond again. > > Each season is not independant of each other, though they are not intrically connected either but they are loosely connected, and as you can see the Doctor doesn’t change every season either. > > I started watching with Chris Eccleston and loved him. When they announced they were switching actors for the Doctor I was not happy but immediately I fell in love with David Tennet. When they announced he was leaving and switching actors again I was not happy, but as soon as I started watching the Matt Smith Doctor I now consider him my favorite Doctor. this is my 3rd doctor since I started, but I wish i could find the dvd series of everything they offered as the prize for the “where’s the Tardis” contest… I bet I will love them all ---
**Author:** ![barney5\_99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@barney5\_99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/barney5_99)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178/161 "2011-08-06T02:59:25Z")
Ok here are the clues I now know about River Song … she is Amy’s daughter…and she is in prison for killing a “very important man”… does anyone else think that man is the Doctor? And who is her father? rory or the doctor? remember the baby did exist in 2 different dimensions at one time… (episode #160 The Doctor’s Wife) he was scanning the baby with the Tardis [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-any-of-you-bastards-tell-me-how-wonderful-doctor-who-is/589178.md?page=9)