Why didnt communism ever work?

I’ve had an insight:

Communism fails because it starts with impractical idealists (like perspective) and is eventually seized by savage bloodthirsty tyrants.

Like Spoofe.

I’ve had an insight:

Communism fails because it starts with impractical idealists (like perspective) and is eventually seized by savage bloodthirsty tyrants.

Like Spoofe.

Curses!

In my gov. textbook it talked about communism:
It talked about the nostalgia felt by Russians now. The crime rate in many former communist countries has doubled (textbook). While embracing capitalism and freedom they have had to give up some of the order in the country (textbook).

It is apparent that communism hasn’t yet worked (and a good chance that it wont in the future). In the minds of some Russians though, communism might be worth a second try.

The textbook (which I believe comes across as very loyal to the US, and the democratic system) argued that the reason, in 1995, that the communist party in Russia came to power was because people missed the order that the communist system had. Of the Russians that were polled, while 20% believed they would feel safe walking on the streets at night, 80% said that it would be too dangerous, and that they would be afraid (textbook).

Is it possible then that Marx’s was on the right track, that he just had a few kinks in his system that needed, and still need, to be tweaked? But that the system, if done right, could work.

Obviously there exist some people that, after tasting both, prefer communism.:smiley:

The only people who look back fondly at Communism in Russia are the people who had it pretty good back then. The connected, the professional class, the managers…

Most young people are ecstatic with the changes in Russia.

But yes, they went though a painful transition, and are still going through it. Changing the fundamental structure of society is not easy.

Ask them again in 10 years. Russia has one of the fastest-growing economies in the world right now. Once the old-guard communists are gone, and the young people of today are part of the power structure, they’ll have a very different opinion.

Those who were in power under communist rule in Russia will obviously favor the communist society, this is true.

Assuming the statistic is randomly done, more commoners than people in power were asked.

There was another stat in that textbook: the people of several countries were asked which takes priority for them freedom or equality. Overall freedom won out in most countries, but according to the stat Americans held freedom closer to their hearts than the other nations, and in the case of some nations, the overall population rated equality as more important.

In this case, equality represents some sort of order, which contradicts freedom (I think most nations were either capitalist or socialist, I can provide the list upon request).

You may very well be right, that it is just the effects of a harsh transition. Still, as compared to other nations, America has a higher crime rate than many nations (I’ll find the site within a day). Russia specifically had a lower crime rate then the US as a communist nation (textbook).

The fist statistic that I posted (80% of people in Russia feel that their world is not safe) shows that some prefer order to freedom.

Often that order comes from communist (or socialist) societies :smiley:

(I realize that china is the exception to the rule with over 2,000 people on death row [Students for a free Tibet pamphlet], this is something I can’t explain):smack:

Sorry, i forgot to mention, that was a respone to Sam Stone :smack:

The reason there was less crime under communism is because the totalitarian government surpressed it. It had nothing to do with true communism fostering less crime.

On another subject, why does everyone think that pilots could do a good job cleaning toliets once every other month? They would have to hunt for the mops and go get cleaner that the engineer used the last of yesterday. There are also skills required of these less desirable jobs. Someone waiting tables needs to know what is on the menu and if substitutions can be made, etc. Personally, not only don’t I like to clean toliets, I don’t know diddley about doing it right. :wink:

Waiting tables certainly isn’t an easy job. It may not require a lot of skill or innate talent, but a good waiter is good because he has a lot of experience. He needs to know not just what items are on the menu, but exactly what’s in each dish (“I’m allergic to cashews, should I get the platter #1 or #3?”); he needs to recommend dishes based on customers’ tastes and what past customers have liked; and depending on the restaurant, he may need to know how to mix drinks.

A pilot won’t be a good waiter unless he spends a lot of time waiting tables - time that would be better spent flying planes. Restaurant customers will be unhappy because their waiter is clueless, and airline customers will be unhappy because their pilot is down the street being a clueless waiter.

Not only that, but our pilot is no doubt going to be so happy about being yanked away from the job he loves and being forced to serve as a waiter that I’m sure he’ll do his absolute best and offer service with a smile…

I understand surly waiters form the backbone of the Paris cell of the French Communist Party.

you never know, im sure there exists a pilot that would consider it a pleasant change :wink:

>> Why didnt communism ever work

Maybe you just got a cheap brand? Most communism was made in third world countries with cheap labor and little quality control. No wonder it turned out so bad.