The obvious, boring, non-partisan answer is that he would have had to get Groening’s permission, and if I were Matt Groening, there’d be no way in hell I’d give it, because I’d want to stay as far as possible from that media circus.
Given what little I’ve seen of Groening’s politics in the past, I suspect he’d have cheerfully given his blessing for Kerry to stick it to George. More likely, IMO, is that Fox (coughahemRupertMurdoch*cough) wouldn’t have given permission.
Haven’t noticed many of Stephe96’s posts before this, have you?
He’s regurgitating whatever crap the right-wing talksters put out. The funny thing is that he’s in some kind of wacky world where he seems to be a year beind his fellow gurgitators.
-Joe, no food
Fine, if you think Kerry was well-advised to say “I actually voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it” during his campaign, more power to you. I hope you guys continue to hire Bob Shrum.
Next you’ll tell me that John Kerry kinda supports the war in Iraq. Sort of. Maybe.
Not what I said.
Not what I said.
Not what I said.
Three strikes and you have to go sit in a corner for five minutes?
-Joe
No, this is what you said:
Forgive me if I didn’t feel the need to personally attack you !
Was he well advised? No. But surely you’re aware that what he said, though it may sound odd to a layperson, actually makes sense when it comes to how things work in Congress. Kerry voted for the version of the bill that he wanted. That version of the bill did not pass. Another version came up that he didn’t like. He voted against that.
Kerry didn’t flip flop on that. His position stayed consistant.
It’s posible to believe that we were mislead into this war, but since the damage has already been done we have to stick around to make sure it doesn’t turn into a disaster. I realize it’s hard to make this fit into a soundbite, but this is not flip flopping either.
The point the OP is making is that “flip flop” is a standard, boilerplate Republican smear. Even if it’s not actually waranted, Republicans will appeal to voter ignorance so they can make it appear that their opponent is flip flopping.
I doubt it. If this is true, why wasn’t he on the campaign trail?
During the first Gulf War, both the pro-war and the anti-war factions asked for permission to use Bart on T-shirts and stuff. He turned them both down. He said that he didn’t want his characters to have anything to do with either of them.
I didn’t personally attack you. That would be against the rules here in GD. I attacked your posts. Posts that are nearly verbatim repeats of posts made by all sorts of your mindset over the last several years.
You show no ability to think outside of a very narrow track, and as such I was advising various posters not to waste time dealing with you. Mostly because the people I was directing my comments at have danced the same dance many times with other time-wasters who are, essentially, completely identical to you.
-Joe
John Kerry or [thread=284567]“Grimey”[/thread] as he liked to be called…
Huh. Well, if that’s not a personal attack, I don’t know what is.
The fact that The Simpsons had Sideshow Bob call his opponent a flip-floper back in 1994 speaks much to the Simpsons’ writers political acumen. Matt Groening often says in the commentaries that if a political joke is not true today it will be true tomorrow. Just take a few examples from ‘Lisa the Beauty Queen’, “I want to show you what you’re fighting for, if there was a war on.” Or from ‘Three Men and a Comic Book’, “Let the good times roll!”
It would have been a great idea to show these clips. They would bring home the message that we had peace and prosperity in the Nineties. And Kerry could have turned the tables with the flip flop attacks. People might say “Those Republicans! They’re using the same tactics a cartoon used.” More than that, subconsciously, they will watch the cartoon and will see themselves.
The point is it’s the same old mud slinging, there’s nothing new. It’s all politics as usual folks. They say when your older and wiser you realize that. It’s just a never ending cycle, there will always be war, peace, war, economic boom, economic downturn, prosperity, crisis, war, peace. It never ends… unless…
You know, not everyone in this country likely thinks that The Simpsons is the be-all, end-all of American culture. For my part, I love the show. I think it’s hilarious. (And, by the way, it ridicules the Democrats just as often as it does the GOP…and I happen to love the establishing shot of the Springfield GOP headquarters that looks just like Dracula’s castle! With the wolves baying in the distance! That’s killer stuff!).
But, seriously, as much as you and I might love The Simpsons …had John Kerry somehow tried to align himself with the show and work Bart and Homer into his campaign, he would’ve been a national laughingstock…well, I mean more of a laughingstock than he already was! 
Um…is it really a ‘personal attack’ to call an inability to think outside of a very narrow track an ‘inability to think outside of a very narrow track’?
Is it a ‘smear campaign’ to call a flip-flopper a ‘flip-flopper?’
If he actually were a flip-flopper, maybe. Totally unlike a person who would start a war for one reason, then continually move the goalposts as reason after reason are shown to be bunk but we’re already in up to our eyebrows so we have to stay the course! But of course, we don’t have that…
Have you read ANY of the rebuttals to the “flip-flopper” stance that have been posted to this thread. Or are you running through the boards with your hands over your ears screaming “LALALALAICAN’THEARYOU! BUSHISGOD!”?
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If he actually were a flip-flopper, maybe. Totally unlike a person who would start a war for one reason, then continually move the goalposts as reason after reason are shown to be bunk but we’re already in up to our eyebrows so we have to stay the course! But of course, we don’t have that…
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Oh, is that the war John Kerry voted for and continues to support? The war, in fact, that he has said he’d still vote to authorize even knowing there were no WMD? Is that the war you’re talking about? Cite: http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/09/kerry.iraq/
Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry said Monday he would not have changed his vote to authorize the war against Iraq, but said he would have handled things “very differently” from President Bush.
So he’d still vote for it…but he’s also kinda against it. Kerry can go before a pro-war crowd and say, “As you all know, I voted for this war!” But he can also go before an anti-war crowd and say, “As you all know, I’m against this war!” A lot of people think that sort of talk makes him, you know, a flip-flopper.
By the way, do you think Kerry supports or opposes gay marriage?
Kerry voted for some other war, one that would have been fought after Iraq was proven to be a threat that could not be removed through diplomatic means. That’s not the war Bush started though. The war Bush started was some war based on false pretenses for no good reason.
I don’t see what the big deal is. He’d still give the president the power to use force when appropriate, but he didn’t think Bush used that power given to him by the Senate appropriately. And he was right.
Did this happen?
What talk?
Why haven’t you withdrawn your previous claim now that you’ve been shown Kerry didn’t change his mind regarding the $87 billion?
If he doesn’t think Bush handled the war correctly, why the hell would he still vote the same way ?!?! Why not simply vote, “No,” as did Ted Kennedy?
Yeah, why won’t that darned flip-flopper change his mind already?!?