# Why didn't these posts in the Pit warrant any mod notice at all? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [July 28, 2012, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654 "2012-07-28T06:37:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654/161 "2012-08-01T18:51:51Z")
If ever there was a post in which throwing something into the quarry would have been funny… ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654/162 "2012-08-01T19:49:12Z")
I’m surprised that the mods haven’t asked **Bo** to throw his complaints in a quarry. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654/163 "2012-08-02T00:24:40Z")
Personally, I’m a little bugged more about **Snowboarder Bo’s** OP and subsequent posts here than I am about his annoying catchphrase. It’s the post-hoc rationalization of claiming its not about being insulted. I don’t buy for a second that he even cares about the language rules (which are complete bullshit in my opinion), but the guy only grasped that straw when he got backed into a corner and was looking for a lifeboat. The man even brought up being being called a “jackass” by **samclem** in ATMB in his OP. **Snowboarder Bo’s** intention was not about the language rules in the Pit. **Snowboarder Bo** was never talking about the language rules in the pit - even if her claims he was. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654/164 "2012-08-02T01:17:05Z")
**A Monkey** , please re-read this part of the OP, and tell me where it becomes clear to you that I have a hidden, ulterior motive for reporting the two posts and then posting this OP. > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > If **Rachellelogram** ’s post is exempt because she didn’t actually use the word “fuck”, even tho what she said is clearly a variant of the expression(s) which are verboten, what is the excuse for **Colibri** not receiving even a quick note to refrain? Are mods excused from following the rules? > > It certainly seems so, as months ago, **samclem** was permitted to call me a jackass in ATMB, which then allowed others to pile on with insults, even tho there aren’t supposed to be any in ATMB. > > I’m just trying to understand why these posts didn’t even get a note. Thanks. I realize that you already have a picture of me in your head that is, shall we say, less than complimentary, but to have made the leap from “guy who occasionally posts a 10 word phrase that for some reason gets my goat” to “manipulative liar with a secret plan to \” is, well, unsupported by anything other than your own preconceived notions. As should be plainly obvious from the quote above, the only reason I brought up **samclem** ’s post from well over 7 months ago is because it relates to “what is the excuse for **Colibri** not receiving even a quick note to refrain? Are mods excused from following the rules?” If you choose not to believe that those two sentences are directly related to the next, I doubt anything I or anyone else can say would be able to change your mind. \ I endured one of the longest ATMB threads in this board’s history, with posters calling me names and calling for me to be banned from the board, and barely blinked at **samclem** ’s post when it happened. I even had a decent exchange with **Gary** , despite him joining the chorus at first, and was, I think, reasonably civil to everyone despite the invective coming my way. At the same time that was happening, I was the subject of an eight page Pit thread, where I was called all manner of names, including an asshole, a troll, a liar, a jerk, etc., while some posters even went so far as to tell lies about things I had posted not he SDMB. I went thru all that, with dozens of people berating me and calling for my head, and yet somehow you conclude that now 2 insults upset me so much that I came up with a secret, convoluted devious plot to \? As I’ve said, the insults were never the issue; the issue was that board rules were violated (IMO) and in both cases, it appeared to me that a mod was given special dispensation. Here, look at what I wrote about **samclem** ’s post last winter: [ > [@Snowboarder Bo](#): > > Can I get some clarification here? I’ve just had a mod call me a jackass, and another poster call me a twit. Are insults now allowed in ATMB? ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14676154&postcount=263](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14676154&postcount=263)) Note that I did not complain about being insulted _per se_; I inquired as to whether the rules now permitted insults in ATMB. Again, the fact that I was insulted is really immaterial to the clarifications I sought then and seek now. The issue is that the board has rules that don’t seem to be enforced in the way they were written and handed down to the Mods to enforce; a secondary issue is that Mods seem to get a pass at violating the rules. The secondary issue seems to extend to other posters as well, and the logic seems to be that since some posters find a certain 10 word phrase to be more upsetting than \, Mods who are perhaps sympathetic to them give them a pass as well when they proffer insults in ATMB or use language that is verboten. Do you think if I had called anyone a twit or a jackass in that ATMB thread, I would not have received a warning, or at least been called out by a Mod? I don’t particularly like being insulted; I don’t seek it out. But neither am I bothered enough by insults to hatch a nefarious plan to \. Besides, it certainly seems that many people think I’m an incredibly immature idiot; how can I be that stupid yet be smart enough to have some sort of covert plan that I’ve presumably concealed for more than half a year? I assure you, had I not thought that rules were broken, and indulgences granted, I wouldn’t have started a thread asking if that was the case. And as to that, I still hope (faintly) that a Mod will come by and clarify their reasoning and position(s) regarding the issues I raised in post #33 and post #36. I doubt they will, but I do still hope. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654/165 "2012-08-02T02:04:30Z")
Oh God, who the hell cares? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654/166 "2012-08-02T02:20:35Z")
> [@Autolycus](#): > > Oh God, who the hell cares? …this forum exists partly so that people can ask questions of the mods. Bo is asking a question of the mods. Whether or not you care is irrelevant. Is this the “peer pressure” that you were talking about Colibri? Because the more this goes on and on the more it looks like mod-sanctioned bullying to me. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654/167 "2012-08-02T02:37:43Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …this forum exists partly so that people can ask questions of the mods. Bo is asking a question of the mods. Whether or not you care is irrelevant. Thank you for the correction. And here I thought my post would single-handedly shut down the thread. > [@](#): > > Is this the “peer pressure” that you were talking about Colibri? Because the more this goes on and on the more it looks like mod-sanctioned bullying to me. Bullying? WTF. He uses an annoying catchphrase. He gets mocked for using it. It’s as simple as that. Apart from the catchphrase, he seems like a perfectly fine person. I just wish he’d let this whole moderation crusade go, that’s all. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654/168 "2012-08-02T02:53:06Z")
**Bo** , you just proved my point. _None_ of what you just wrote is about the language restrictions. It’s about you thinking the moderators can get a pass for insulting you. It was never about the damn language rules, was it? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654/169 "2012-08-02T02:53:17Z")
> [@Autolycus](#): > > Thank you for the correction. And here I thought my post would single-handedly shut down the thread. …and yet, here you are, still posting in a thread you don’t care about. > [@](#): > > Bullying? WTF. He uses an annoying catchphrase. He gets mocked for using it. It’s as simple as that. Why is the mocking being allowed in ATMB where Bo cannot respond to it? Its one thing to mock it somewhere like the pit where Bo actually can give as good as he gets and if the vultures that are hanging out here taking potshots were in the pit taking pot shots then I really wouldn’t care. But they are not: they are here. The mods are allowing the mocking to take place and they are not policing it because, as Colbri said: they are wanting "peer pressure’ to fix Bo’s behaviour. But from the outside: it looks like bullying. It really is bullying. The “cool kids” are picking on the guy who is doing something different. Bo used that catch phrase for nearly a year before anyone ever really noticed. And now its the “worst thing ever.” No it really isn’t. > [@](#): > > Apart from the catchphrase, he seems like a perfectly fine person. I just wish he’d let this whole moderation crusade go, that’s all. If he was on a moderation crusade your point would be valid. As it seems like he has asked only a couple of questions and when that question he asked was answered he asked for some clarification (which hasn’t been offered as of yet), your point is not valid. There is no crusade going on here and if you guys would stop bumping the thread with your pointless attacks on Bo then the thread would likely sink like a stone. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654/170 "2012-08-02T02:54:43Z")
> [@Autolycus](#): > > Thank you for the correction. And here I thought my post would single-handedly shut down the thread. Damn. I guess I have have an inflated ego - I thought mine would bring down the internets. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654/171 "2012-08-02T02:58:14Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > **Bo** , you just proved my point. _None_ of what you just wrote is about the language restrictions. It’s about you thinking the moderators can get a pass for insulting you. It was never about the damn language rules, was it? …why does his intent for asking the question matter so much to you? The question is still valid, is it not? And he is asking it politely in the correct forum? If you are really that disturbed by his intent, why don’t you start a pit thread for him? Why this compulsive need to confront him here? ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654/172 "2012-08-02T02:59:04Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Are mods excused from following the rules?" I can’t even tell you how many times I’ve seen them get away with Junior Modding without so much as a note. The rule says: > [@](#): > > Restricted language in the Pit > The following expressions should not be directed at other posters. > > cunt and variants, e.g., cuntlapper > motherfucker > cocksucker > fuck you and variants, e.g., go fuck yourself, fuck off and die > suck/lick my dick/cock and variants > […] The rule goes to the length of specifying not just “suck my dick and variants” which could mean anything, (its an insult, so a ‘variant’ of that with nothing else to go on could be “go kiss a frog”) but actually “suck/lick my dick/cock and variants”. This distinction is significant, because it establishes a pattern we can use as a basis to determine what “variants” could mean. Things that can be done orally to a penis, or a crude synonym for a penis, should not be requested of other users in the Pit. We can extrapolate from this that it would also be inappropriate to tell another poster to “taste my pecker” or “nuzzle my schlong” (though due to the ambiguous nature of life, these might be acceptable in the Pit. If so, they would just be exceptions that prove the rule) The second rule it is quite clear that the phrase “fuck you” is not permitted. Here, however, they do not feel it necessary to establish a pattern such as “fuck/fornicate/hump you/your momma/a cactus”. The mention of variants could imply that any mention of any manner of fucking you or yourself, or even others, could be forbidden, but the rule’s lack of at least one additional example for each part of the phrase means that it is subject to interpretation by the mods on a case by case basis. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654/173 "2012-08-02T03:03:17Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > **Bo** , you just proved my point. _None_ of what you just wrote is about the language restrictions. It’s about you thinking the moderators can get a pass for insulting you. It was never about the damn language rules, was it? He should be glad he never encountered **manhattan** moderating. **manny** made his last post 10 days before **Bo** joined. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654/174 "2012-08-02T03:28:36Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …why does his intent for asking the question matter so much to you? Good lord, man, why does the intent behind a question NOT matter to you? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654/175 "2012-08-02T03:36:31Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > Good lord, man, why does the intent behind a question NOT matter to you? …Bo’s question is a valid one. His intent for asking the question is irrelevant to both the question and the answer. I’m interested in the answer. You obviously aren’t interested in the answer, so why aren’t you pitting Bo again? ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654/176 "2012-08-02T04:11:25Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …Bo’s question is a valid one. His intent for asking the question is irrelevant to both the question and the answer. I’m interested in the answer. You obviously aren’t interested in the answer, so why aren’t you pitting Bo again? What is his question, though? When he’s asked to clarify his question regarding mods, he talks about the language rules. When he’s asked to clarify the question about the language rules, he talks about the mods. I don’t even know what he is asking. I don’t think you can distill it, either. This thread has touched on a lot of points, true, but c’mon. There was never any specific question posited by **Snowboarder Bo**. He didn’t even come up with the language rule thing till I asked him specifically. And even after _that_ his question wasn’t clear. This is not an occupy SDMB sit in here, this is a guy kvetching. I just want the guy to admit that the only reason he started this is that he feels he got insulted regarding his annoying, but legal, catchphrase. And not to dress it up by claiming he’s fighting the good fight. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654/177 "2012-08-02T04:55:53Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > What is his question, though? When he’s asked to clarify his question regarding mods, he talks about the language rules. When he’s asked to clarify the question about the language rules, he talks about the mods. I don’t even know what he is asking. > > I don’t think you can distill it, either. This thread has touched on a lot of points, true, but c’mon. There was never any specific question posited by **Snowboarder Bo**. He didn’t even come up with the language rule thing till I asked him specifically. And even after _that_ his question wasn’t clear. This is not an occupy SDMB sit in here, this is a guy kvetching. > > I just want the guy to admit that the only reason he started this is that he feels he got insulted regarding his annoying, but legal, catchphrase. And not to dress it up by claiming he’s fighting the good fight. Please re-read my last post. You don’t seem to have understood it. Which parts would you like me to try and clarify for you? Let’s start with the quote from the OP. Do you not see how the sentence about **samclem** is directly related to the 2 sentences that immediately preceded it? If you do not see it that way, assume that that was my intent and please explain how I could have phrased it in such a way that it would have been more clear to you. I admit that I’m confused on why you also seem to feel that there cannot be more than a single issue that I’m seeking clarification on, especially as I’ve stated at least twice that the second issue (Mods being given special dispensation to ignore the rules) stems from the first issue (Mods apparently ignoring the rules). How could I have phrased that better in the OP and in my last post, so that it was clear? If your position is simply that there is no way that either of the things in the last two paragraphs could be clear, just let me know; I’ll stop trying to explain it to you and learn to live with the knowledge that I just couldn’t do anything to help **A Monkey With a Gun** understand what I wrote. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654/178 "2012-08-02T04:57:44Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …Bo’s question is a valid one. His intent for asking the question is irrelevant to both the question and the answer. Bo has asked this a couple of time. But only when _h_e was insulted. I’ll ask again, If his interest is in just in pit language why isn’t he also choosing from one of the many similar examples that happen almost daily? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654/179 "2012-08-02T05:01:10Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Please re-read my last post. You don’t seem to have understood it. Which parts would you like me to try and clarify for you? It’s amazing how many of your posts start off with something like this. Why do you think it is that virtually everyone keeps misunderstanding you? ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654/180 "2012-08-02T05:30:20Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Please re-read my last post. Let’s go to your first post. Nay. Before that. You reported two other poser for violating a rule that you don’t agree with. Why? Why did you do that? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-didnt-these-posts-in-the-pit-warrant-any-mod-notice-at-all/629654.md?page=10)