# Why do a lot, if not almost all, of mens' rights type folk seem to be anti woman? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 24, 2012, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989 "2012-12-24T05:44:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989/41 "2012-12-25T00:24:58Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > I’m very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany. Therefore, I win this argument No one “wins” or “looses” the argument – each side is entitled to their view. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989/42 "2012-12-25T00:26:42Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > No one “wins” or “looses” the argument – each side is entitled to their view. \*loses ---
**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989/43 "2012-12-25T00:28:31Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > No one “wins” or “looses” the argument – each side is entitled to their view. serious question: r u ppuppy? pick y or n ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989/44 "2012-12-25T00:31:54Z")
> [@colander](#): > > r u ppuppy? One question I wanted to ask – why are our views make feminists so uncomfortable that they almost always try to insult us? ---
**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989/45 "2012-12-25T00:34:16Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > One question I wanted to ask – why are our views make feminists so uncomfortable that they almost always try to insult us? i dont no what u mean. i are lov ppuppy’s ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989/46 "2012-12-25T00:39:03Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > If you majored in gender or feminist studies then you probably read more **on the subject** but of corse from the opposing side. > > Overall I read hundreds of books – on many subjects. Most adults have read hundreds of books. I’ve read thousands, but I don’t claim to be an expert in any field. I’ll allow my actions to determine that. You still haven’t really said anything in response to what I said. Which is fine, you don’t have to if you don’t want to, but I don’t understand, then, why you replied to my post. [QUOTE=Yookeroo] The issues where men get the shaft pale compared to where women get the shaft. [/QUOTE] I’ll tell you this; I know of no women who feel comfortable travelling alone at night. None. And I live in a place, Toronto, with a low crime rate, a crime rate that would be the envy of most large cities. But women are in a constant state of low-grade fear whenever alone, and it’s justified. I long ago lost count of the number of female friends, relatives and acquaintances I know who have some tale of sexual harassment, assault, or other physical assault, by strangers, dates, you name it. I, a man, have never in my life felt afraid to go about my business alone at night around Toronto. I am no scary ass-kicker. I just know as a man I’ll be left alone. I wouldn’t trade. No fucking way. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989/47 "2012-12-25T00:41:41Z")
> [@colander](#): > > i dont no what u mean. i are lov ppuppy’s That’s enough of that mocking. You’re derailing the discussion and being insulting. Stop it at once. No formal warning issued, but please refer to the forum rules if you’re unclear as to what forum is for what. RickJay Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989/48 "2012-12-25T00:47:20Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I’ll tell you this; I know of no women who feel comfortable travelling alone at night. None. And I live in a place, Toronto, with a low crime rate, a crime rate that would be the envy of most large cities. But women are in a constant state of low-grade fear whenever alone, and it’s justified. I long ago lost count of the number of female friends, relatives and acquaintances I know who have some tale of sexual harassment, assault, or other physical assault, by strangers, dates, you name it. > > I, a man, have never in my life felt afraid to go about my business alone at night around Toronto. I am no scary ass-kicker. I just know as a man I’ll be left alone. And yet … men are much more likely to be victims of violent crime than women. Go figure. ---
**Author:** ![Algorithm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/algorithm/32/12204_2.png) [@Algorithm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algorithm)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989/49 "2012-12-25T00:48:47Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > In my opinion, men are disadvantaged in many significant ways Could you describe a handful of ways in which men are significantly disadvantaged? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989/50 "2012-12-25T00:55:17Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > And yet … men are much more likely to be victims of violent crime than women. Go figure. Okay, I will go figure; men, especially young men, are likelier to place themselves into situations where they will assault each other. That’s not something I need to be afraid of, as I do not do that. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989/51 "2012-12-25T01:00:30Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > One question I wanted to ask – why are our views make feminists so uncomfortable that they almost always try to insult us? What makes you think all or even most of the people who’ve mocked you are feminists or even women. > [@](#): > > In my opinion, men are disadvantaged in many significant ways, and most men will recognize some MRA issues as reality. These issues were not allowed in the mainstream media, I didn’t realize that “the mainstream media” was controlled by man-hating women. Perhaps you can list the major media outlets that are controlled by women which stifle the issues that MRAs advocate? > [@](#): > > I have read about ten books and many sites on the subject. Which books? Please don’t tell me you’re a Warren Farrell fan. ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989/52 "2012-12-25T01:04:02Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > What makes you think all or even most of the people who’ve mocked you are feminists or even women. I was not mocked much as I try to stay away from flame wars. From what I have seen, many feminists online and in the media subject MRAs to vicious personal attacks. ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989/53 "2012-12-25T01:05:21Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Which books? Please don’t tell me you’re a Warren Farrell fan. I have read The Myth of Male Power and Women Can’t Hear What Men Dont Say along with many other books by many other authors. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989/54 "2012-12-25T01:12:24Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > I have read The Myth of Male Power and Women Can’t Hear What Men Dont Say along with many other books by many other authors. Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes: So anyway, since you claim that “the mainstream media” “refuses” to discuss men’s rights issues perhaps you can let us know which “mainstream media” outlets are controlled by women? ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989/55 "2012-12-25T01:14:05Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes: > > So anyway, since you claim that “the mainstream media” “refuses” to discuss men’s rights issues perhaps you can let us know which “mainstream media” outlets are controlled by women? The ones controlled by men prefer not to discuss these controversial issues. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989/56 "2012-12-25T01:23:54Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Okay, I will go figure; men, especially young men, are likelier to place themselves into situations where they will assault each other. That’s not something I need to be afraid of, as I do not do that. Well maybe not you personally. I thought this was a more general discussion. ---
**Author:** ![aag3981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@aag3981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aag3981)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989/57 "2012-12-25T07:38:00Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > I was a full – time MRA during 1999 – 2002, half – time MRA during 2003 – 2006, and still support the movement. I had been in many arguments on many boards over every MRA – feminist issue for a total of about five to ten thousand posts. I have been much less active since 2006, but I am still an expert. > > In my opinion, men are disadvantaged in many significant ways, and most men will recognize some MRA issues as reality. These issues were not allowed in the mainstream media, but in the age of social networks the movement grows. > > My prediction is that either the movement will become mainstream in the next two decades, or feminists will find some way to make it illegal. Oh yes! Feminist are the enemy! Men disadvantaged… Sure in SOME areas, but that is the swing of the pendulum sir. Men are harshly punished for leaving mini-mes unsupported because it has been such an issue in the past. Alimony also has a similar beginning as women were left penniless and with no viable means of making a sufficient income after spending their life “tending house” and doing odd jobs to make ends meet that when their husband’s midlife crisis hit and they ran off with a younger secretary, they were stuck. Of course this was a time when women did not have the educational and career opportunities they have today. That is they men’s right’s groups best bet for equal treatment, for both sexes to be equal. ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989/58 "2012-12-25T10:20:11Z")
> [@colander](#): > > Okay, so you think fathers should be legally entitled to abandon children they don’t feel like supporting. > > In that case, government aid is going to have to pick up the slack. Government aid is funded by taxes from me, you, and Uncle Jimmy, none of whom had anything to do with the creation of the child. > > How is that **more** fair than what we’ve got going now? Reproductive rights should not be contingent on what’s best for the state, unless you want pregnant women tested so that their young who have, say, cystic fibrosis or some other genetic condition can be euthanised before birth to save the taxpayer money. And not just abortion, women can put their unwanted children up for adoption or just abandon them, in most American states, which makes the taxpayer responsible. Anyway, assuming you’re pro-choice a child is only created by birth. That’s the woman’s choice only. Her body, her choice. So why is it her choice that a man she had a one-night stand with should have to work for her benefit for eighteen years? Why should the child’s likely fate rest on how wealthy his mother’s one night stand was? Why is it more “just” to make a single random man take responsibility for a woman’s choices than the woman herself or society as a whole? But if you really think men should only have rights when it’s cost effective, think of the money to be saved from child support enforcement, and locking up people who haven’t commited a crime, and removing workers from the economy. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989/59 "2012-12-25T10:31:10Z")
I have never, ever heard of a man who has been denied the right to get an abortion if he’s pregnant. Please note that impregnating someone isn’t the same as being pregnant. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989/60 "2012-12-25T11:40:19Z")
women are notoriously paid for more money to make pornography. This is clearly an outrage. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-a-lot-if-not-almost-all-of-mens-rights-type-folk-seem-to-be-anti-woman/644989.md?page=4)