# Why do American Jewish voters favour the Democrats? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 10, 2011, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-american-jewish-voters-favour-the-democrats/602456 "2011-11-10T01:36:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2011, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-american-jewish-voters-favour-the-democrats/602456/241 "2011-11-22T17:34:05Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > That’s not what was said. Not by you, perhaps. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2011, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-american-jewish-voters-favour-the-democrats/602456/242 "2011-11-22T17:39:57Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Not by you, perhaps. Nor by “NY JEW”. He never claimed the liberal Jews were not Jews. He did claim that the religion they practice is usually not Judaism. I agree. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2011, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-american-jewish-voters-favour-the-democrats/602456/243 "2011-11-22T17:46:46Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Nor by “NY JEW”. He never claimed the liberal Jews were not Jews. He did claim that the religion they practice is usually not Judaism. I agree. This is a formal warning for ignoring my instructions. And I’m instructuring you both to stop arguing about what **NY JEW** said about what Judaism “really” is. It’s there in black and white, and since the whole thing is off-topic, it shouldn’t be argued about in this thread. The next step will be closing this thread. ---
**Author:** ![NY\_JEW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e9a140/32.png) [@NY\_JEW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NY_JEW)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-american-jewish-voters-favour-the-democrats/602456/244 "2011-11-22T18:47:48Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > This is not an anti-semitism issue. Conflating “support of Israel’s specific policy actions” with “limits on Israel equal anti-semitism” does nothing for either support of Israel or opposition to anti-semitism. when jews die because of it I can, should and will. just so you know this Hitler statement is a very widely held belief by many people. ---
**Author:** ![NY\_JEW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e9a140/32.png) [@NY\_JEW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NY_JEW)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-american-jewish-voters-favour-the-democrats/602456/245 "2011-11-22T18:53:52Z")
here’s another way to show the growth of Orthodox jews comparing new households (which they rate as 0-4 years, (Longer-Term Households) old households are above 5 years) I’m going to give all the ones I found students are in many areas a high number of new households so that will most likely underestimate Orthodox in many college areas. In addition Orthodox jews are more likely to be married or living at home till getting married also underestimating the true number of Orthodox jews. ``` Orthodox% Orthodox% total ``` area of new households Old Households Households Washington DC metro (2003) **3.7%** 2.1% 110,000 South Palm Beach (2005) **5.7%** 3.6% 73,000 West Palm Beach (2005) 0.7% **2.1%** 69,000 Miami (2004) **13.4%** 8.5% 54,000 Las Vegas metro (2005%) **3.2%** 2.3% 42,000 Bergen County NJ (2001) **16.5%** 11.5% 28,400 Twin Cities (only) MN (2004) **3.4%** 1.8% 19,000 Tucson (2002) **2.4%** 1.0% 13,400 New Haven (2010) **4.2%** 3.8% 11,000 Atlantic/Cape May NJ (2004) **2.7%** 0.8% 10,000 Rhode Island (2002) **6.7%** 5.4% 9,550 Jacksonville (2002) 1.3% **1.6%** 6,700 Westport-Weston- **2.6%** 1.9% 5,000 Wilton-Norwalk CT (2001) San Antonio (2007) 2.5% **4.5%** 4,500 Lehigh Valley (2007) **4.7%** 3.3% 4,000 what some of these areas include Fair Lawn’s non included in Bergen County and Weehawken, North Bergen, Secaucus, Guttenberg, West New York, and Union City are included. Washington DC includes Montgomery County, Prince George’s County, Fairfax County , Prince William County, Loudoun County, Arlington, Alexandria, Falls Church, Manassas, Fairfax, Manassas Park San Antoinio all of Bexar County Don’t know Florida well enough to tell all that’s in South Palm Beach or West Palm Beach New Haven doesn’t have decimal points ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2011, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-american-jewish-voters-favour-the-democrats/602456/246 "2011-11-22T19:22:36Z")
> [@NY\_JEW](#): > > when jews die because of it I can, should and will. It’s still a wrong belief. It’s certainly plausible/possible to consider that some/many Israeli actions cause more terrorist attacks to occur than would otherwise, and that opposing those actions is not anti-Semitic even in the cases where those changes in Israeli policy happen to lead to undesirable outcomes. In the exact same way as it’s possible to consider that American actions in Iraq and Afghanistan have been wrong-headed and poorly managed without being anti-American. In any case, the fact that the majority of American Jews continue to support the Democratic party in general argues that American Jews in general don’t consider potential or actual negative effects of any one policy aimed at reducing tensions in the Israel-Palestine region to be relevant when making electoral decisions. It seems to me that many American Jews (rightly, IMHO) feel that Israel needs to pay more attention to the rights and wishes of the Palestinian people in general and how to balance those rights and wishes with the rights and wishes of Israel in general, while spending less time punishing the lot of them for the actions of Hamas and other terrorist organizations. > [@](#): > > just so you know this Hitler statement is a very widely held belief by many people. I’m afraid uncited assertions are worth just as much as the effort you put into researching them before you make them. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2011, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-american-jewish-voters-favour-the-democrats/602456/247 "2011-11-22T19:46:45Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > In what way is voting for Obama like voting for Hitler on a small scale? Hardly a small scale, since Obama is a good 5-6 inches (10 cm) taller than Hitler. Electorally, Obama is also much bigger than Hitler. Obama got 63-1.4 million votes, 52% in 2008; in the last free election in 1932, Hitler got 11-34 million votes, for 33%. Much smaller, both in totals or percentage. ---
**Author:** ![NY\_JEW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e9a140/32.png) [@NY\_JEW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NY_JEW)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2011, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-american-jewish-voters-favour-the-democrats/602456/248 "2011-11-22T19:54:40Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > It’s still a wrong belief. It’s certainly plausible/possible to consider that some/many Israeli actions cause more terrorist attacks to occur than would otherwise, and that opposing those actions is not anti-Semitic even in the cases where those changes in Israeli policy happen to lead to undesirable outcomes. In the exact same way as it’s possible to consider that American actions in Iraq and Afghanistan have been wrong-headed and poorly managed without being anti-American. > > In any case, the fact that the majority of American Jews continue to support the Democratic party in general argues that American Jews in general don’t consider potential or actual negative effects of any one policy aimed at reducing tensions in the Israel-Palestine region to be relevant when making electoral decisions. It seems to me that many American Jews (rightly, IMHO) feel that Israel needs to pay more attention to the rights and wishes of the Palestinian people in general and how to balance those rights and wishes with the rights and wishes of Israel in general, while spending less time punishing the lot of them for the actions of Hamas and other terrorist organizations. First of all they are for protection (this should be obvious but), the barriers are to stop terrorists from getting through not to “punish the lot of them for the actions of Hamas and other terrorist organizations”. The main reason why the amount of terrorist attacks went down was because of the wall and the fact that you want to tear it down either shows me 1. you ignorant of the whole situation there or 2. you couldn’t care less about jews being killed there (or at least not more then your other agendas whether Palestinians so called rights (you do know that Gaza has a water park) or your liberal domestic agenda ext. ) second of all I see time and time again most (not all) non Orthodox jews couldn’t care less about other jews, which is why nothing impedes them from voting for anti Semites in the name of liberalism. ---
**Author:** ![NY\_JEW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e9a140/32.png) [@NY\_JEW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NY_JEW)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2011, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-american-jewish-voters-favour-the-democrats/602456/249 "2011-11-22T19:57:29Z")
> [@t-bonham@scc.net](#): > > Hardly a small scale, since Obama is a good 5-6 inches (10 cm) taller than Hitler. > > Electorally, Obama is also much bigger than Hitler. Obama got 63-1.4 million votes, 52% in 2008; in the last free election in 1932, Hitler got 11-34 million votes, for 33%. Much smaller, both in totals or percentage. just so you should know that was in a parliamentary system so leaving aside the rest of your nonsense it’s not comparable. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-american-jewish-voters-favour-the-democrats/602456/250 "2011-11-22T20:00:18Z")
I’m closing this. Since people aren’t discussing the actual thread topic, I’m concluding they’re not interested in it. You can start a new thread or not, but this one’s over. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-american-jewish-voters-favour-the-democrats/602456.md?page=12)