# Why do Christians openly worship torture-murder and practice cannabalism? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 8, 2013, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721 "2013-02-08T18:41:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/101 "2013-02-10T21:51:55Z")
> [@RandMcnally](#): > > You can’t take communion if you haven’t been to confession in over a year, your automatically excommunicated if you’ve had an abortion or aided in any way whatsoever someone attaining one, etc. There are many reasons one can’t take the Eucharist. I’ll pull out my Catechism later. For instance, if one has eaten within the three hours preceding communion, one cannot partake for failure to observe the Eucharistic fast. This in no way is due to any excommunication however. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/102 "2013-02-10T22:21:43Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > In the Roman Catholic Church, that is exactly what it is. Excommunication involves a lot more than just being barred from taking Communion. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/103 "2013-02-10T22:52:45Z")
Yeah, you can’t do the lay readings in the Mass and you can’t bring up the offerings after the collection, but you can still be an usher, especially on days your team is scheduled because not even excommunication can get you out of that. It used to be a bigger deal when everybody was Catholic and your inability to receive any sacraments, including Penance and Extreme Unction (I don’t care what they call them now; those names are cooler), meant that you would go to Hell, but now it just opens your Sundays to more golf, though you are still required to perform your Sunday Obligation because again Excommunication doesn’t let you weasel out of anything, and nobody but Protestants still believes in Hell. But mostly, Excommunication is about not getting the Eucharist, and for some people that’s still a big deal. Oh, and you can get shunned, but again that was a bigger deal 500 years ago. Really pissed off noblemen who got on the wrong side of Rome in the Middle Ages, though. ---
**Author:** ![Canadjun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/76d3ee/32.png) [@Canadjun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Canadjun)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/104 "2013-02-10T22:53:33Z")
If you want it right from the horse’s mouth, see [Excommunication](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05678a.htm). In particular, see “Effects of excommunication” in that article. Looks like a lot more than just not being allowed to take communion! ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/105 "2013-02-10T23:14:47Z")
Yeah, but you pretty much need to beg to be hit with the ban hammer these days: > **[List of people excommunicated by the Catholic Church | 20th century](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_excommunicated_by_the_Roman_Catholic_Church#20th_century)** > > 1.All Catholics who participated in the creation of the Philippine Independent Church in the Philippines, in December 1902 | > 2.Feliksa Kozłowska, Maria Michał Kowalski and the Mariavite movement in December 1906 by St Pius X | > 3.Alfred Loisy, a French cleric associated with modernism (1908?). | > 4.Father Romolo Murri, a leader of the Italian Catholic Democrats, for giving speeches against Papal policy (1909) | > 5.Marshal Josip Broz Tito (1946) and all Catholics who participated ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/106 "2013-02-10T23:25:24Z")
Really? Pretty much beg? Looks like all you have to do is approve of abortion, even in the case of rape by your stepfather or the life of the mother is “close to 100%” threatened if the pregnancy is allowed to come to term!!! ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/107 "2013-02-11T02:51:47Z")
Yep. The girl and the child were supposed to sacrifice themselves to, hopefully, wipe clean the stain of her iniquity, having lured her stepfather to sin with her sexy, nine-year-old ways. Rules are rules and the doctors and mother knew what they would get. The RCC may be insane, but it’s _consistently_ insane. Usually. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/108 "2013-02-11T12:13:48Z")
> [@RandMcnally](#): > > I’ll pull out my Catechism later. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![SirGalahad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/71c47a/32.png) [@SirGalahad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SirGalahad)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/109 "2013-02-11T13:44:48Z")
1. Xtians don’t all believe every church doctrine. In my experience, very few believe many details beyond “there’s a supreme being”. They may say different, but most are “whistling in the dark”. They lead a Pascal’s Wager sort of existence. 2. Ancient execution tools are cool. What’s cooler than a guillotine or a cross? ---
**Author:** ![SirGalahad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/71c47a/32.png) [@SirGalahad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SirGalahad)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/110 "2013-02-11T13:54:59Z")
Oh, also, to Der Trihs: Newsflash … we’re sophisticated apes who are hard-wired to dominated and intimidate each other, and we have invented Religion and Government as handy tools to make that job easier. Someone believing in a supreme being doesn’t take on the responsibility for the greedy warlords and imperialists who’ve used Religion as a Catalyst for mayhem. Neither as a U.S. citizen and supporter of the Bill of Rights am I responsible for the violent and criminal behavior of our Government. Deluded does not equal evil. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/111 "2013-02-11T14:19:37Z")
With respect to the OP, why leave out worshipping a risen from the dead zombie? It seems to me it would have served your offensive and sensationalizing requirements better and you could have avoided this metaphor defence entirely. (Suggest revision before submission for grade! :D) ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/112 "2013-02-11T15:30:59Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > For instance, if one has eaten within the three hours preceding communion, one cannot partake for failure to observe the Eucharistic fast. This in no way is due to any excommunication however. > [@Rand McNally](#): > > You can’t take communion if you haven’t been to confession in over a year, Are we talking RCC or some other denominations? If RCC, then it’s been one hour Eucharistic fast since the 60s, and there is no annual requirement for the latter, just to be in a “state of grace” and free from morta/gravel sin when taking Communion. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/113 "2013-02-11T16:14:23Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Are we talking RCC or some other denominations? If RCC, then it’s been one hour Eucharistic fast since the 60s, and there is no annual requirement for the latter, just to be in a “state of grace” and free from morta/gravel sin when taking Communion. You see it as a rocky road? ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/114 "2013-02-11T16:28:26Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > You see it as a rocky road? 🙂 Whoops. Bad insert there. “Mortal/grave,” of course. ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/115 "2013-02-11T16:32:37Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Are we talking RCC or some other denominations? If RCC, then it’s been one hour Eucharistic fast since the 60s, and there is no annual requirement for the latter, just to be in a “state of grace” and free from morta/gravel sin when taking Communion. I was talking RCC. I could have sworn Confession was a requirement once a year. I’ll look it up, although I’m more than willing to be proven wrong. After looking it up [here](http://www.catholic.com/tracts/who-can-receive-communion) it seems that you’re right. I was attaching “must go to confession since last mortal sin” to the requirement to go to [Confession](http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/what-is-the-requirement-regarding-yearly-confession) about once a year. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/116 "2013-02-11T18:45:33Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Except, some people don’t all religion as “bigotry, dishonesty, and tyranny.” We see shades of grey. Some of us don’t see things in such extreme terms. It’s not question of “you’re either with us or against us. This side good, this side bad. There’s no middle ground, it’s all black and white. Period.” > > You come off as a bad parody of how right wingers portray atheists and leftists. I figure it’s his God-given right to balance the scales. > [@RandMcnally](#): > > You can’t take communion if you haven’t been to confession in over a year, your automatically excommunicated if you’ve had an abortion or aided in any way whatsoever someone attaining one, etc. There are many reasons one can’t take the Eucharist. I’ll pull out my Catechism later. [RandMcnally is Cleavon Little!](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYlDbv7MqE8) ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/117 "2013-02-11T18:56:27Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I’m not now nor have ever been catholic, but I went to uncountable services with my ex wife over 20 years. In every service I ever attended, the priest would drink the leftover wine, then pour water into the chalice, swish it around and drink it, then wipe out the chalice with a cloth. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Episcopal Church-same thing. Yeah, you’re right, I should have paid closer attention in confirmation class. Apparently the piscina/sacrarium appears to be used for just about everything else except the wine: > [@](#): > > Ordinarily the piscina is used in cleaning the sacred vessels after the Mass (see Ablution in Christianity). Cleaning the vessels in this basin ensures that any remaining consecrated particles are returned directly to the Earth. If the consecrated Hosts become unusable, the priest disposes of the hosts by placing them in the sacrarium. This is accomplished by breaking the hosts up into small pieces and washing them into the basin — which returns the consecrated hosts to the ground.[citation needed] > > At times the piscina has been used for disposal of other items, such as old baptismal water, holy oils, and leftover ashes from Ash Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/118 "2013-02-11T19:11:35Z")
The piscina at the local Episcopal church has a pipe that leads straight down into the earth below the church…which I found out when it stopped up and I tried to use the plunger on it, bringing up a pipeful of dirt and mud. ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/119 "2013-02-12T00:40:20Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The piscina at the local Episcopal church has a pipe that leads straight down into the earth below the church…which I found out when it stopped up and I tried to use the plunger on it, bringing up a pipeful of dirt and mud. You mean flesh and blood. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/120 "2013-02-12T00:51:47Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > You mean flesh and blood. Episcopalian. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721.md?page=7)