# Why do Christians openly worship torture-murder and practice cannabalism? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 8, 2013, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721 "2013-02-08T18:41:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/121 "2013-02-12T02:29:55Z")
Growing up as an Episcopalian, I was an acolyte in my teen years. The only times the priest conducting the communion service did not dispose of the remaining wine as described above was when he reserved some for the sick who were unable to attend the service. That residue was then placed in what looked basically like a safe with a red light above it, the light being turned on to indicate the consecrated Host was present in the box/safe. Now I’m a Mormon and we don’t practice “ritual cannibalism.” What we do is have a priest recite a particular prayer over bread and another particular prayer over water. In our belief, neither one becomes any part of Jesus at all. It’ll take me a few minutes to fetch the prayers and post them correctly, so I’ll put those in my next post. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/122 "2013-02-12T02:50:52Z")
[Here is the prayer for the bread](http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/20.77?lang=eng#76): > [@](#): > > O God, the Eternal Father, we ask thee in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this bread to the souls of all those who partake of it, that they may eat in remembrance of the body of thy Son, and witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that they are willing to take upon them the name of thy Son, and always remember him and keep his commandments which he has given them; that they may always have his Spirit to be with them. Amen. [And here is the prayer for the water](http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/20.79?lang=eng#78): > [@](#): > > O God, the Eternal Father, we ask thee in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this wine to the souls of all those who drink of it, that they may do it in remembrance of the blood of thy Son, which was shed for them; that they may witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that they do always remember him, that they may have his Spirit to be with them. Amen. Note, that we replace the word _wine_ with _water_ because we use water instead of wine for our Sacrament service. [This bit](http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/27.2-4?lang=eng#1%5B/url) is what I was taught as the reason we don’t use wine these days. You’ll have to scroll down yourself to see the highligted bit, I couldn’t get the automatic scroll to work. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/123 "2013-02-12T03:50:27Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > Really? Pretty much beg? Looks like all you have to do is approve of abortion, even in the case of rape by your stepfather or the life of the mother is “close to 100%” threatened if the pregnancy is allowed to come to term!!! Oh, and that’s another reason that I don’t think replacing [del]Benny the Rat[/del] [[del]Benedict bar Sinister[/del]](http://jamesdillingham.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/SIMON-BARSINISTER-COLOR-CROP.jpg) Benedict XVI with a non-European will help things much. Majority-Catholic countries outside of Europe can be [del]medieval[/del] [del]creepy[/del] non-progressive. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/124 "2013-02-12T19:23:04Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > That residue was then placed in what looked basically like a safe with a red light above it, the light being turned on to indicate the consecrated Host was present in the box/safe. A tabernacle! In French Canadian, “tabernac” is a curse word. Curious, no? There’s an old joke about a Catholic and Anglican chaplain having an ecumenical discussion in the second world war and the Anglican suggests they store their communion together. The Catholic chaplain admonishes him, reminding him that live rounds aren’t stored with blanks (hope I got that terminology right). ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/125 "2013-02-12T22:38:22Z")
> [@NitroPress](#): > > Atheist here, just curious: Why do you Christians obsess over and venerate gruesome torture-murders as the centerpiece of your beliefs, and participate in ritual cannibalism you believe is real in celebration of that belief? As a Christian I can confirm it is in preparation for the glorious Day Of The Rope, when tiresome atheists like you shall be torture-murdered to the joyous celebrations of the faithful. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/126 "2013-02-12T22:47:59Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > As a Christian I can confirm it is in preparation for the glorious Day Of The Rope, when tiresome atheists like you shall be torture-murdered to the joyous celebrations of the faithful. As a tiresome atheist myself, the only solace I have is the unending internecine wars among the faithful that remain. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/127 "2013-02-12T22:54:30Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > As a tiresome atheist myself, the only solace I have is the unending internecine wars among the faithful that remain. Your find solace in missing out on all the good bits? The mind of atheists works in insane and perverted ways. QED. You obviously deserve the fate reserved for you. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/128 "2013-02-12T23:17:32Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > A tabernacle! In French Canadian, “tabernac” is a curse word. Curious, no? Yes, apparently various Catholic things are fodder for Quebecois vulgarities. As I found out from a FOAF after I politely asked him to stop. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/129 "2013-02-13T00:28:32Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > You obviously deserve the fate reserved for you. It beats singing Hosannas for eternity. You can get used to pain, but not boredom. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/130 "2013-02-13T05:34:54Z")
> [@NitroPress](#): > > Atheist here, just curious: Why do you Christians obsess over and venerate gruesome torture-murders as the centerpiece of your beliefs . . . > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > That’s really far more objectionable than the eucharist thing. Not just the glorification of Jesus’ subititionary redemptive sacrifice, but the attribution of spiritual necessity to such a thing. To take away the sins of the world? There are no sins. There is evil, but it’s not the same thing. Sorry, of course I meant “substitutionary.” Nothing involving tits. Though that actually would be less silly. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2013, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721/131 "2013-03-26T12:05:11Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > You’re right about the torture-murder (although the Catholics and Mel Gibson seem quite enthralled with the gore itself, distinct from the sacrifice). > > But I’m pretty sure you’re wrong about the “metaphor”. Most Christians don’t believe they’re metaphorically eating Jesus, but that they are actually partaking of his body and blood, cannibal style. > > Someone correct me if I’m wrong. I don’t know about all Christians but RC’s believe it was the command of Jesus to eat of his body and drink of his blood so they would have life with in them. They believe the host changes at the consecration of the mass, when the priest repeat the words recorded as Jesus when he said " this is my body and this is my blood as he gave his apostles the bread and wine, because Jesus was said to have said." this is my body take and eat, and this is my blood take and drink all of it" But In reality as I see it, it was just was just symbolic. like a lover who tells his beloved This Is my heart, take it and say we will never part, he doesn’t literally give his heart, But some take that literally. I wouldn’t say it was a cannibalistic act. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-christians-openly-worship-torture-murder-and-practice-cannabalism/649721.md?page=6)