# Why do commercial jets cruise at 35,000-40,000 feet? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [January 16, 2018, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-commercial-jets-cruise-at-35-000-40-000-feet/806781 "2018-01-16T21:36:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 2\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-commercial-jets-cruise-at-35-000-40-000-feet/806781/21 "2018-01-17T13:04:49Z")
> [@Colophon](#): > > This altitude is great for fuel efficiency and smooth flight; unfortunately it is also the part of the atmosphere that tends to most favour contrail formation, which means that all those flights are creating lots of high cloud, which traps extra heat. It’s thought that the climate impact of contrail cloudiness is actually considerably greater than the impact of the CO[sub]2[/sub] emissions from aircraft. [Cite](https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate1068) > > Another unfortunate side-effect is the proliferation of chemtrail lunacy on the internet. 🙂 The silver lining of the 9/11 attacks was that the grounding of commercial air traffic over the US for several days provided an opportunity to study the climate effects of contrails: > **[Contrail](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail#September_11,_2001,_climate_impact_study)** > > Contrails (/ˈkɒntreɪlz/; short for "condensation trails") or vapor trails are line-shaped clouds produced by aircraft engine exhaust or changes in air pressure, typically at aircraft cruising altitudes several kilometres/miles above the Earth's surface. They are composed primarily of water, in the form of ice crystals. The combination of water vapor in aircraft engine exhaust and the low ambient temperatures at high altitudes causes the trails' formation. Impurities in the engine exhaust from t... ---
**Author:** ![joema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a9adbd/32.png) [@joema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joema)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-commercial-jets-cruise-at-35-000-40-000-feet/806781/22 "2018-01-17T13:12:43Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > …if flying higher reduces drag, then why stop at 40K feet? There are planes with higher service ceilings, although I know this doesn’t necessarily mean they’re at their best when they’re that high up. Is it just too hard to make a plane that can cruise efficiently/economically at very high altitude and also be well-behaved at sea level? First, why go so high: Jet planes are more efficient at high altitude because the engines themselves are more efficient. Just like a piston engine is more efficient at higher compression ratios and temps, so is a jet engine. Why not just run the jet engine at slower rpm and temps? (1) Unlike a piston engine, the pressure ratio of a jet engine varies greatly with rpm. It produces far too much thrust at lower altitudes for level flight so rpms and pressure ratio must be reduced. This reduces the efficiency, resulting in higher fuel consumption for given thrust. (2) Unlike a car, a jet engine doesn’t have a gearbox, and unlike a piston or turboprop aircraft, the turbine blades are fixed position. That single fixed position, number and arrangement of turbine blades must be designed to operate most efficiently at cruise rpm, altitude and speed – where it spends most of its time. Some jet engines have variable stators or movable non-rotating vanes to try and regain some efficiency across a broader rpm range, but no production jet engine has variable pitch compressor or fan blades. If efficiency increases with altitude, why not just keep going higher? Because to gain propulsive efficiency almost all civil jetliners use turbofan engines which lose more thrust at higher altitudes than a pure turbojet. This caps the achievable altitudes. They could use pure turbojets and go higher (like Concorde) but those are less efficient than turbofans. This is because for a given thrust level, it’s less efficient to accelerate a lower volume of air to high speed vs accelerating a high volume of air to a lower speed (like a turbofan or turboprop engine). So they would lose more overall efficiency using turbojets to go to 65,000 feet than they’d gain from the higher altitude. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-commercial-jets-cruise-at-35-000-40-000-feet/806781.md?page=1)