# why do jews get a pass when it comes to racism? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 6, 2011, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-jews-get-a-pass-when-it-comes-to-racism/577370 "2011-04-06T06:35:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 151
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2011, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-jews-get-a-pass-when-it-comes-to-racism/577370/151 "2011-04-06T21:33:54Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > It makes perfect sense, and there’s absolutely nothing objectionable about it. At least, not if “We want out grandchildren to go to college, and as long as you commit yourself to providing them with that opportunity, we give our blessings to you marrying our daughter.” isn’t also objectionable. > You’re also ignoring the original context, which is that the OP bizarrely claimed that people having a preference for members of their in-group when it came to marriage and procreation meant that they were elitist racists. In that context, showing that those so called “elitists” will accept anybody who has a sincere desire to join them, and those “racists” will count anybody among their number who wants to join and goes through a few simple steps, well… > What does this prove except that religion is not fungible with nationality? > I don’t know of any Jewish families who would object to, for instance, their children enrolling in a Chinese cooking class or taking a semester abroad in a foreign country. I do know a great many Jewish families who would object to their children spending half their time at Hebrew school and half at Church. Finn, once again, you keep beating that term elitist racists. I never said that. Just because you keep saying it doesn’t make it so. And since you are so concerned that I posted in the wrong forum to rebut what you were saying, I’ll cut and paste it here for you to read again. > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by FinnAgain > That point of argument was particularly noteworthy though, as he built his entire OP around the fact that one girl, who he wasn’t even dating, immediately told him she wouldn’t be up for marrying him when he asked her out… and then he figured that she was an elitist and a racist because she said it was expected in her family that she should marry someone from her religious group. … and then he figured that “a LOT” of Jews were also elitist racists, and Jews as a group get “a pass when it comes to racism.” And I suppose I won’t make any headway, but I believe that it’s quite unreasonable to ask a poster to modify forum-legal behavior (especially with a vague and subjective set of guidelines) when the only problem is that another poster may not follow the rules in the course of responding. But I’ll do my best not to draw a Warning. [/quote] Part of your problem is reading comprehension. The other part may be that I didn’t spell out every possible detail to make someone like you happy. For example, I never said that the girl was “an elitist racist”. You did. A number of times. In fact, this is what I said at the bottom of my OP.. “If I love you in every way but won’t marry you because you aren’t of the same religion, color, or whatever, doesn’t that make me an elitist and a racist by definition?” That is different than me explicitly calling her an elitist racist. Actually, what I was implying was as a white person, if I made that same comment on why I wouldn’t marry someone else based on religion, color or whatever, wouldn’t I be considered an elitist and a racist. You completely changed that to suit your shorthand, and it was perpetuated on page one of the thread. You used the term “elitist racist” no fewer than 4 times on your own, typing it each time. You also used it in a post of your own, where you are claiming to quote me. See post #30 of the thread. You quote me from the op by using “elitist racist” in quotation marks. It’s something I never typed, and yet you use it with impunity. I used it once, when I quoted you with the quote button. You can’t simply read something, filter out what you want and don’t want, and not expect some backlash. But you do. Constantly. And where exactly do I say this? . **.. and then he figured that “a LOT” of Jews were also elitist racists, and Jews as a group get “a pass when it comes to racism.”** (finn’s words, quoting them to me) I don’t. I never even imply that a lot of jews are elitist racists. You’ve taken your own made up phrase, attributed it to me, and now claim I’m doing some figuring based on that. You spend so much time attacking me or anything that may be remotely viewing jews in an unflattering matter, and you make things up to support your theory. But making words up, putting quotes around them and then saying someone else said them is not only wrong, it’s unethical. It isn’t something you are going to go to jail for, but it makes all of your posts suspect. People that call you on it are always admonished and/or pitted. As for where I might have done better: I could have explained in excruciating detail the reason I asked this question in the first place. The fact that this exact thing happened to a friend of mine recently. She was given the chance to convert, but unless that occurred, the relationship was over. I remembered my experience from my own life and used that, since my experience is the only one I can speak directly to. The recent event also caused me to revisit my jewish and non-jewish friends, their spouses and what I knew about their relationships. I cannot share with anyone an example of a Jew converting to a non-jewish religion, but I do have a number of examples where the conversion took place. There are also, like many folks in the thread, married and not in a twist about it either way. No conversion was required. By the way, Finn. Somewhere in this very thread, you tell someone that jews \*\*can \*\*be considered a race. Therefore, the term racist does apply. Which is it, then? I ask you since you are the one that everyone should go to regarding questions that pertain in any way to Judaism. You are the SMDB’s Moses. > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by FinnAgain > Do you have examples of many Jews who get upset when their children participate in various cultural practices? Or are you conflating religion with culture? More crap to dance around. Are you saying that being Jewish is \*\*\* just \*\*\*a religion? If that’s your position, then fine. There is no reason to hyphenate yourself when you describe yourself to others. You aren’t Jewish American. You are American. Jews that are from Germany are German-American, not Jewish American. Can’t say that I’ve never heard the term jewish-american, so someone better get on the stick and straighten this out. Or, tell every catholic that they can hyphenate themselves as well, and disregard country of origin. So, being jewish is a religion when it suits you, and when it doesn’t suit you, being jewish is a culture. What a pantload. I honestly don’t know why I bother. You poke a stick for the sake of a reaction. When things aren’t going your way, you change direction. It doesn’t matter. Making up words and putting them in the mouths of others is SOP for you, and yet you do it repeatedly. You simply aren’t an honest debater. You see the word “jew” and knee-jerk react immediately. Finn to the rescue! come on… say it. I know you are dying to! just get it out, and you’ll feel better. remember, bizarre, elitist racist, and…? --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-jews-get-a-pass-when-it-comes-to-racism/577370)._