# Why do most musical artists have a few super-productive years, then fall off dramatically? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 9, 2012, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970 "2012-08-09T16:08:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970/21 "2012-08-10T12:22:38Z")
> [@Meltdown](#): > > I think a lot of what makes a hot band hot early on is their sound – the fact that it’s unique and new. But 3-4 albums down the road, the sound is still pretty much the same, everyone’s heard it, and the new songs that utilize the same sound seem inferior to the original songs. That new car smell just isn’t as powerful. > > Think of a bunch of your favorite singers and/or bands. Now think of some of your favorite music from them. I’m going to guess that a large majority of your favorite music was some of the earliest stuff you’ve heard from them – note that this is not necessarily the earliest stuff they released. > > There are exceptions, of course. But I think a lot of bands fall into that pattern. The proportion of bands able to successfully reinvent themselves is pretty low. The aforementioned King Crimson, for example. Most of the time when artists try to shift styles they lose the magic that once made them great, and then can’t get it back. Some of course will just keep churning out the same thing over and over, and stagnate. But I’ve seen quite a few bands who are so very obviously and self-consciously trying to _avoid_ what they’ve done before that what they then come up with sounds very stilted and artificial as compared to what they did during their heydays. Since I used that last word, I’ll just mention the band which has been my favorite for most of my life, The Church-I simply can’t listen to their last 5 or so albums anymore because it is painfully obvious that they are assiduously trying to do things differently than they did 20-30 years ago, but they no longer play to their strengths anymore by doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970/22 "2012-08-10T14:03:16Z")
1. Creative work is _hard_. 2. People run out of ideas. In my little taste of local celebrity, I discovered that the _pressure_ to come up with new (commercially viable) material from the people who are making (or hope to make) money off you is a real creativity killer. I lost my ability to write, the band broke up, I didn’t get to be a rock star. That’s what happens to _most_ creatively talented people who make it that far. ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970/23 "2012-08-10T14:05:45Z")
life in the fast lane. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970/24 "2012-08-10T14:09:43Z")
This example probably won’t be recognized by anyone here. The debut album from the band Magazine is one of my favorites, their second is very different but still amazing, their third more commercial but good, their fourth is mediocre. The singer Howard Devoto had a few solo efforts which were horrible IMHO, then recently Magazine reformed after decades and put out another album which I listened to once and found almost a cartoonish aping of his earlier style. So yea. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970/25 "2012-08-10T14:24:54Z")
> [@johnpost](#): > > life in the fast lane. They should take a break and stay at the Hotel California. ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970/26 "2012-08-10T14:34:51Z")
I think that musical creativity is a variable resource that varies from person. Some people have a deep well of it, others not so much. Like an athlete, maybe it depends on what one does with they’ve got. (And, like athletes, doping does boost some people’s performance :D) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970/27 "2012-08-10T14:53:04Z")
I always wondered why brilliant artists just wither away after a couple albums. Christopher Cross had an amazing debut album. 5 Grammy’s in 1980. It went 5x Platinum. I love every track on that debut album. His second album was good but not brilliant. After that… bargain bin specials He kept recording (last release was in 2011) and never got back the magic. > **[Christopher Cross](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Cross)** > > Christopher Cross (born Christopher Charles Geppert; May 3, 1951) is an American singer-songwriter and guitarist from San Antonio, Texas. > He won five Grammy Awards for his eponymous debut album released in 1979. The singles "Sailing" (1980), and "Arthur's Theme (Best That You Can Do)" (from the 1981 film Arthur) peaked at number one on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100. "Sailing" earned three Grammys in 1981, while "Arthur's Theme" won the Oscar for Best Original Song in 1981 (with co-composers Gepper... ---
**Author:** ![cjepson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a9adbd/32.png) [@cjepson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cjepson)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970/28 "2012-08-10T15:18:09Z")
> [@Toxylon](#): > > I can’t think of any favorite artist or band of mine (mostly 60’s & 70’s rock, pop and prog rock) whose first album would be more than passable compared to the classic second, third, fourth etc. albums, made with little time between massive touring and promotion work. The Doors and Jimi Hendrix are two others. They seemed to burst out of the gate full-formed, and speaking just for myself, I think their debut LPs were at least the equal of anything they did after. (It may have had something to do with the times.) ---
**Author:** ![cjepson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a9adbd/32.png) [@cjepson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cjepson)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970/29 "2012-08-10T15:20:37Z")
> [@ministryman](#): > > The “I’m Doing WAAAAY too many drugs” album. The Beatles’ White Album comes to mind. This struck me as odd, since the White Album was actually their (more or less) post-drugs, TM album. ---
**Author:** ![cjepson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a9adbd/32.png) [@cjepson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cjepson)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970/30 "2012-08-10T15:25:47Z")
It seems that a lot of my favorite artists fit this pattern. I would cite Jethro Tull, Yes, Genesis, and the Strawbs as bands that had a run of three or four stunning albums before sinking into (relative) mediocrity. (Citing Genesis may not be fair, though. In my book, their decline was the direct result of the original leader, Peter Gabriel, leaving the group; he went on to have a number of excellent solo LPs.) ---
**Author:** ![It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/it_s_not_rocket_surgery/32/312_2.png) [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/It_s_Not_Rocket_Surgery)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970/31 "2012-08-10T15:46:29Z")
> [@cjepson](#): > > It seems that a lot of my favorite artists fit this pattern. I would cite Jethro Tull, Yes, Genesis, and the Strawbs as bands that had a run of three or four stunning albums before sinking into (relative) mediocrity. (Citing Genesis may not be fair, though. In my book, their decline was the direct result of the original leader, Peter Gabriel, leaving the group; he went on to have a number of excellent solo LPs.) I was going to cite Peter Gabriel as my third example in the OP if I got that far. He hasn’t dropped off much in quality, but he went from releasing 4 studio albums from 1976-1982, to **So** in 1986, to **Us** in 1992, to **Up** in 2002, to some recent stuff which is just remakes of older tunes, or cover songs. I know he’s busy with WOMAD, but 1 album of new material in 20 years? (I know he did the _Passion of the Christ_ soundtrack somewhere in there, as well as the _Birdy_ and _Rabbit-Proof Fence_ soundtracks) ---
**Author:** ![It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/it_s_not_rocket_surgery/32/312_2.png) [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/It_s_Not_Rocket_Surgery)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970/32 "2012-08-10T15:53:11Z")
I know some artists do NOT fit this pattern, too. Green Day’s 7th album was **American Idiot**. Weird Al’s recent stuff is FAR more polished than his old stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970/33 "2012-08-10T22:55:19Z")
Another vote for “confirmation bias”, especially since one of the two examples in the OP doesn’t even fit the pattern described. The Who averaged a new [studio album](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Who_discography#Studio_albums) every two years during the 17 years (1965-1982) they were active as a major label group. During this period they never went more than three years without a new studio album, and their last two albums during this period were only about a year and a half apart. Their output dropped to nothing after 1982 because they broke up. The Who’s two surviving members, Pete Townshend and Roger Daltrey, did reunite in 2006 for the _Endless Wire_ album, but I’d say that’s a Who album in name only – it’s more a Townshend solo album with Daltrey on vocals. IMHO _The Who By Numbers_ is also a much better album than _Who Are You_. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970/34 "2012-08-10T23:07:14Z")
I am the entertainer and I know just where I stand another serenader and another long haired band today I am the champion I may have won your hearts but I know the game you forget my name and I won’t be here in another year if I don’t stay on the charts 😃 This is a bit of a tautology I suppose, but it seems like artists fade away unless they constantly stay on the charts. The music industry is cruel if you can’t continue to produce hit after hit. Some get lucky and have a comeback album that is a success, but that’s probably pretty rare. But if I go cold I won’t get sold I’ll get put in the back in the discount rack like another can of beans! ---
**Author:** ![unwashed\_brain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a9adbd/32.png) [@unwashed\_brain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unwashed_brain)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2012, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970/35 "2012-08-12T20:09:01Z")
Boredom that leads to musical experimentation is my best guess. The subsequent course correction isn’t always successful. Decreasing testosterone levels over time is my second best. Musicians are people who age (obligatory Keith Richards exclusion notwithstanding). RAWK turns to Rock turns to rock quite naturally. ---
**Author:** ![Greekfreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c68b51/32.png) [@Greekfreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greekfreak)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2012, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970/36 "2012-08-12T20:54:27Z")
There are many factors to consider: 1. creative burnout 2. potential fickleness on behalf of the consumers 3. departure of key personnel 4. sudden and/or extreme change in style Gary Numan’s a perfect example–right after his Living Ornaments tour, which was about 2 years, he went jazzy with “Dance” and it was massive bomb. Creatively, he might have enjoyed it, but it was too extreme too quickly. It also didn’t suit him. Not many bands get to revisit their peaks. Queen got pretty close to the top again with “Innuendo”, which was excellent, but still no “Night At The Opera”. Unless you get massive creative input from ALL MEMBERS, burnout happens really quickly. Even the greatest singer/songwriters can’t churn out great stuff all the time. And even if they do, they’re under so much pressure to make everything a hit that they even subconsciously alter their style to follow a trend–people smell the desperation and they stop buying. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2012, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970/37 "2012-08-12T21:03:37Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I always wondered why brilliant artists just wither away after a couple albums. > > Christopher Cross had an amazing debut album. 5 Grammy’s in 1980. It went 5x Platinum. I love every track on that debut album. His second album was good but not brilliant. After that… bargain bin specials > > He kept recording (last release was in 2011) and never got back the magic. > [Christopher Cross - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Cross) “Video killed the radio star”. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2012, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970/38 "2012-08-12T21:07:10Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > I am the entertainer > and I know just where I stand > another serenader > and another long haired band > today I am the champion > I may have won your hearts > but I know the game > you forget my name > and I won’t be here in another year > if I don’t stay on the charts > > 😃 > > This is a bit of a tautology I suppose, but it seems like artists fade away unless they constantly stay on the charts. The music industry is cruel if you can’t continue to produce hit after hit. Some get lucky and have a comeback album that is a success, but that’s probably pretty rare. > > But if I go cold > I won’t get sold > I’ll get put in the back > in the discount rack > like another can of beans! Billy stayed on the charts for 20 years. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lust4Life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@Lust4Life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lust4Life)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970/39 "2012-08-13T19:48:57Z")
The Darkness. Brought out some incredible music and then just disappeared from sight. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970/40 "2012-08-13T23:06:35Z")
> [@Lust4Life](#): > > The Darkness. > > Brought out some incredible music and then just disappeared from sight. Maybe, but from my view the problem with The Darkness was that they were supposed to be an ironic take on 70s arena rock and that gimmick couldn’t last for more than one album. It’s like telling the same joke twice. As for other artists, Bob Dylan’s career has had some interesting peaks and valleys over the last 50 years. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-most-musical-artists-have-a-few-super-productive-years-then-fall-off-dramatically/630970.md?page=3)