# Why Do Muslim Fundies Hate Mayo? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [May 31, 2006, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-muslim-fundies-hate-mayo/358848 "2006-05-31T08:50:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MrSquishy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MrSquishy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrSquishy)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-muslim-fundies-hate-mayo/358848/21 "2006-05-31T18:13:31Z")
[QUOTE=Clothahump] (well, somebody had to say it) [/QUOTE] Really? šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![RCGDC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c4cdca/32.png) [@RCGDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RCGDC)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-muslim-fundies-hate-mayo/358848/22 "2006-05-31T18:37:57Z")
Part of the issue is many Muslim in the middle east acutall believe, I mean truly believe in conspiracy by American interests. It would do no good to point out the ingredients to them because regardless they are convinced that Americans would lie in order to subert Muslim interests. And the sad part is the people really believe in the conspiracies. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-muslim-fundies-hate-mayo/358848/23 "2006-05-31T18:44:00Z")
[QUOTE=Sal Ammoniac] Can you give us a cite here? [/QUOTE] It was a newspaper article Harry Shearer read on _Le Show_. I didnā€™t catch his exact source, so I canā€™t say any more than that. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-muslim-fundies-hate-mayo/358848/24 "2006-05-31T19:25:14Z")
[QUOTE=Anne Neville] The kind I get is certified kosher parveā€¦ It could very well have vinegar derived from alcohol- thereā€™s no prohibition against alcohol in the kosher laws. [/QUOTE] Since someone else brought it upā€¦ ;j I was given to understand that Muslims could obey their dietary laws by eating food marked Kosher. (Disaster relief supplies, for example) Perhaps I was misinformed. ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_Neville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Anne\_Neville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anne_Neville)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-muslim-fundies-hate-mayo/358848/25 "2006-05-31T19:52:45Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] I was given to understand that Muslims could obey their dietary laws by eating food marked Kosher. (Disaster relief supplies, for example) Perhaps I was misinformed. [/QUOTE] You were. Although Iā€™m pretty sure the halal rules have exceptions for disasters, just like the kosher rules do- if there were a disaster, and all that was available to eat in the relief supplies was pork, Jewish law would not only say it was OK to eat the pork, it would say we _had_ to eat the pork if the alternative was starving to death. I donā€™t know for sure, but I believe the rules of halal have a similar exemption if your life is at stake. Some differences: Alcoholic beverages can be kosher, but they canā€™t be halal. The rules of halal donā€™t prohibit mixing meat and dairy, but the rules of kosher do. For meat to be halal, a blessing invoking the name of Allah has to be said over it. Obviously, this isnā€™t required for kosher slaughtering (I donā€™t think any blessing is required for that). ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-muslim-fundies-hate-mayo/358848/26 "2006-05-31T20:03:31Z")
[QUOTE=Anne Neville] You were. [/QUOTE] For the sake of arguement, could eat non meat non alcohol Kosher and obey halal ? ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-muslim-fundies-hate-mayo/358848/27 "2006-05-31T20:27:54Z")
[QUOTE=Anne Neville] For meat to be halal, a blessing invoking the name of Allah has to be said over it. Obviously, this isnā€™t required for kosher slaughtering (I donā€™t think any blessing is required for that). [/QUOTE] Iā€™m fairly sure that canā€™t be completely true - maybe itā€™s _preferable_, or maybe thereā€™s a specific rule that meat slaughtered according to Jewish tradition (which, after all, is done in the name of the same big sky dude, even if no particular prayer is uttered) is okay. But Iā€™m fairly sure that Iā€™ve read that Muslims in parts of the U.S. tend to frequent kosher butchers because they consider kosher meat halal and other meat available in the U.S. to be haram. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-muslim-fundies-hate-mayo/358848/28 "2006-05-31T23:34:14Z")
[QUOTE=Excalibre] Iā€™m fairly sure that canā€™t be completely true - maybe itā€™s _preferable_, or maybe thereā€™s a specific rule that meat slaughtered according to Jewish tradition (which, after all, is done in the name of the same big sky dude, even if no particular prayer is uttered) is okay. But Iā€™m fairly sure that Iā€™ve read that Muslims in parts of the U.S. tend to frequent kosher butchers because they consider kosher meat halal and other meat available in the U.S. to be haram. [/QUOTE] I believe that actually, there are disputes about whether or not kosher food is allowable for a muslim. I certainly read disagreeing positions. I also once heard the rector of the Great mosque of Paris discussing this issue in lenght (half an hour or so) late at night on TV and though I donā€™t remember much about what he said, he didnā€™t have much of an issue with muslims eating kosher food. And not solely in ā€œlast resortā€. But then again, I believe heā€™s pretty liberal. ---
**Author:** ![thirdname](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@thirdname](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdname)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2006, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-muslim-fundies-hate-mayo/358848/29 "2006-06-01T00:47:06Z")
Islamic doctine holds that Mayo-_naize_ is neither an officer nor a gentleman. ---
**Author:** ![GingerOfTheNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2006, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-muslim-fundies-hate-mayo/358848/30 "2006-06-01T01:49:54Z")
[QUOTE=riker1384] Islamic doctine holds that Mayo-_naize_ is neither an officer nor a gentleman. [/QUOTE] Much worse than Sinko de Mayo. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2006, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-muslim-fundies-hate-mayo/358848/31 "2006-06-01T02:12:14Z")
[QUOTE=riker1384] Islamic doctine holds that Mayo-_naize_ is neither an officer nor a gentleman. [/QUOTE] I donā€™t get it. Donā€™t tell me. I am happily ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![GingerOfTheNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2006, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-muslim-fundies-hate-mayo/358848/32 "2006-06-01T02:14:11Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] I donā€™t get it. Donā€™t tell me. I am happily ignorant. [/QUOTE] Richard Gereā€™s character in ā€œAn Officer and A Gentlemanā€ had the last name Mayo. His drill sargeant called him ā€œMayo-naizeā€ to taunt him. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2006, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-muslim-fundies-hate-mayo/358848/33 "2006-06-01T02:41:14Z")
And this applies to Islam becauseā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2006, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-muslim-fundies-hate-mayo/358848/34 "2006-06-01T03:04:26Z")
[QUOTE=clairobscur] I believe that actually, there are disputes about whether or not kosher food is allowable for a muslim. I certainly read disagreeing positions. I also once heard the rector of the Great mosque of Paris discussing this issue in lenght (half an hour or so) late at night on TV and though I donā€™t remember much about what he said, he didnā€™t have much of an issue with muslims eating kosher food. And not solely in ā€œlast resortā€. But then again, I believe heā€™s pretty liberal. [/QUOTE] There should be no dispute about it at all. The Qurā€™an, 5th Surah, 5th verse provides that the food of the People of the Book is lawful to Muslims. While itā€™s obvious that alcohol is permitted for Jews, itā€™s still prohibited for Muslims. What is permitted is that, if one canā€™t find halal food, one can avail oneself of the subset of Kosher food that is not haram. ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2006, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-muslim-fundies-hate-mayo/358848/35 "2006-06-01T04:10:20Z")
Tuckerfan writes: \> It was a newspaper article Harry Shearer read on Le Show. You know, weā€™re doing a lot of speculation based on an article that might have been a hoax, or that Shearer may have misunderstood, or that Tuckerfan might have misheard. That some mayonnaise is unacceptable to some Muslims has been sufficiently demonstrated at this point. I donā€™t see anything that anyone has posted in this thread that actually proves that any Muslims have ever threaten to kill people who buy mayonnaise. Does anyone have any actual proof that any Muslim has ever made this threat? No, not a proof that someone somewhere is crazy enough to make such a claim, but a proof that someone somewhere has made this specific claim. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2006, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-muslim-fundies-hate-mayo/358848/36 "2006-06-01T05:11:18Z")
**kimstu** pegged the source of the confusion - the assumption that ā€œfatwaā€ always means ā€˜death sentenceā€™. This is certainly very far from the truth, especially since death sentences in traditional Islamic law were pronounced by the _qadi_ (judge), not by the _mufti_ (maker of fatwas), whose job was to rule on the halalness of a matter or other such inquiries. The Jewish equivalents of _fatawa_, answers by a rabbi, are called _responsa_. Fatawa is the Arabic broken plural of fatwa. Mufti and fatwa are derived from the same Arabic root, _ **ftw** _ ā€˜to adviseā€™. Thatā€™s right, folks, I said _ **FTW** _ ---
**Author:** ![Crandolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7cd45c/32.png) [@Crandolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crandolph)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2006, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-muslim-fundies-hate-mayo/358848/37 "2006-06-01T15:00:20Z")
I donā€™t know that it can be assumed that all the brands of mayonnaise most commonly available in the Islamic world would contain the same list of ingredients as in your jar of Hellmanā€™s. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2006, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-muslim-fundies-hate-mayo/358848/38 "2006-06-01T15:14:00Z")
[QUOTE=Crandolph] ā€¦all the brands of mayonnaiseā€¦ Hellmanā€™s. [/QUOTE] Of course not. Hellmanā€™s is ambrosia, the creme de la creme (sp) of the condiment world. ;j ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2006, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-muslim-fundies-hate-mayo/358848/39 "2006-06-01T15:35:48Z")
Perhaps it was the ham-flavored kind, from **kimstu** ā€™s link: > [@](#): > > Unilever sells a product line of mayonnaise that comes in tuna, chicken and ham flavorsā€“the latter prohibited among Muslims. ---
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[QUOTE=Monty] There should be no dispute about it at all. The Qurā€™an, 5th Surah, 5th verse provides that the food of the People of the Book is lawful to Muslims. While itā€™s obvious that alcohol is permitted for Jews, itā€™s still prohibited for Muslims. What is permitted is that, if one canā€™t find halal food, one can avail oneself of the subset of Kosher food that is not haram. [/QUOTE] That doesnā€™t seem helpful. ā€œYou can eat Jewish food, unless you canā€™tā€? Might as well say ā€œyou can eat anything, unless you canā€™tā€. And arenā€™t Christians ā€œPeople of the Bookā€? They eat all sorts of crap šŸ˜‰ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-muslim-fundies-hate-mayo/358848.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-muslim-fundies-hate-mayo/358848.md?page=3)