# Why do people forgive Bush's lies? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 11, 2005, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205 "2005-01-11T13:55:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205/81 "2005-01-11T21:15:12Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > In the case of Chirac, the comparison seems apt. > > The UN had imposed a cease fire in the Ivory Coast, but they could not enforce it. As it broke down, and the UN resolutions imposing it became mere artifacts on paper, France sent troops in to protect its citizens and impose order. > > Chirac is committed to removing the regime of Laurant Gbagbo. 😕 And we removed the Taliban, to the general approval of the world. No one has accused anyone of lying about that. Are you saying Chirac invented the situation in the Ivory Coast? No matter what people thought before the invasion, at the time of the invasion the inspectors had looked at the supposed WMD sites, based on US intelligence, and found nothing. But instead of stopping to consider if they were wrong, they imposed an impossible deadline. It’s like if the cops got information from an informer that there was a drug stash in your closet, come in, at your reluctant invitation, to inspect, find nothing, and then convinced that you were hiding it too well, either blew you away or took you to jail. But I guess the cops wouldn’t be lying, would they? Especially if you had a record. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205/82 "2005-01-11T21:32:00Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Not sure why you are still willing to give him/them the benefit of the doubt against [piles upon piles](http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=Iraq+lies) of evidence to the contrary, but to answer your question, from my POV, you’re straddling the reality fence. So, your version of reality is dictated by the sheer volume of the blogosphere. Way to fight ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205/83 "2005-01-11T22:06:19Z")
> [@annaplurabelle](#): > > Forget about whether or not he lied. He was wrong. Again and again. He fucked up, big time. Cost the US money, goodwill, and the lives of US troops. Why wasn’t that a good enough reason to fire his ass? Not talking about nailing him to a cross - just firing him. A practical and pragmatic business decision. Agree completely. And like John Mace, this and his handling of the economy cost him my vote as well. Why this isn’t enough for the left is and has been beyond me. The whole HELIEDHELIEDHELIED!!! rant has always been such a turn off for me because its so cartoonish. > [@annaplurabelle](#): > > Is there anyone here who can make a case as to why he should have been kept on after being wrong, after fucking up, so often? I imagine if I were your business partner you’d be the one telling me we had to sack him, pronto. In order to do that you’d have to be able to justify the US’s actions in Iraq from a necessaty standpoint…something I’ve never seen done before. Certainly I can think of no over riding need for the US to have gone into Iraq when and how we did. My guess is that most folks who voted for Bush would tell you they picked what they perceived as the lesser of two (w)evils. It says something, to me at least, that even with all the fuckups and instances where he was just flat out wrong, even with getting the US into yet another grinding war for no appearent national gain…that people still picked him over Kerry. There is a lesson there for the Dems if they choose to learn it IMO. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Jake\_the\_Plumber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@Jake\_the\_Plumber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jake_the_Plumber)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205/84 "2005-01-11T22:19:12Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Agree completely. And like John Mace, this and his handling of the economy cost him my vote as well. Why this isn’t enough for the left is and has been beyond me. The whole HELIEDHELIEDHELIED!!! rant has always been such a turn off for me because its so cartoonish. I think it is reactionary to what the right did with Clinton, which was absurdly stupid for a much lesser charge. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205/85 "2005-01-11T22:26:47Z")
> [@Jake the Plumber](#): > > I think it is reactionary to what the right did with Clinton, which was absurdly stupid for a much lesser charge. To a certain degree I agree with you on this. You could see it even before Bush was sworn in the first time. Note though that, like the Republican/Right raving about Clinton, the Democrat/Left raving had as little (or no) effect on the majority of the electorate. Its the ‘crying wolf effect’ IMO…rant enough, chant HELIEDHELIEDHELIED! or HEGOTABLOWJOB! enough and the plain folks will tend to tune you out. Then if something REAL comes up they will just shrug and move one…been there and done that before, not going to get all worked up by a bunch of loonies again. As I said, there are multiple lessons to be learned here…but both sides IMO. I have doubts though that anyone will learn them. -XT ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205/86 "2005-01-11T22:45:14Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > So, your version of reality is dictated by the sheer volume of the blogosphere. Way to fight ignorance. Thanks, but you know what they say: you can lead a horse to water… > [@Fearless Misleader](#): > > [ul] > [li]“Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.” – United Nations Address[/li]September 12, 2002 > > [li]“Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons.” – Radio Address[/li]October 5, 2002 > > [li]“Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons.” – Cincinnati, Ohio Speech[/li]October 7, 2002 > > [li]“Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.” – State of the Union Address[/li]January 28, 2003 > > [li]“Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.” – Address to the Nation[/li]March 17, 2003 > [/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Age\_Quod\_Agis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d07c76/32.png) [@Age\_Quod\_Agis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Age_Quod_Agis)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205/87 "2005-01-11T22:46:25Z")
> [@ITR champion](#): > > \*Here’s another one just for fun: before Congress voted on the prescription drug bill in November of 2003, the Bush Administration sent them a report stating that the cost would be 400 billion over ten years. The Administration, at the time, had a report stating that the cost would be 540 billion over ten years. They withheld that second report and threatened to fire anybody within the administration who gave the second report to Congress. Four months later, the Bush administration admitted that the 540 billion figure was the correct one. [cite](http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8164060.htm) Errr, not really. Your article says that the Bush admin. “embraced” an estimate that their Welfare bill would cost about $395 billion. However, one actuary from the Welfare Office alleges that he estimated that a similiar plan pending in the Senate would cost $551 billion. The actuary alleges he was told not to disclose “numbers related to this higher estimate” or he’d be fired. The reason that the White House allegedly suppressed the numbers is that it didn’t want to lose the votes of 13 conservative Republicans who threatened to vote against any Medicare bill over $400 billion. However, the head of the Welfare office disputes the actuary’s account of events: > [@](#): > > In an interview with Knight Ridder, Scully, a former health-industry lobbyist deeply involved in the administration’s campaign to pass the drug benefit, denied Bjorklund’s assertion that he’d threatened to fire Foster [_ed. – Foster was the actuary who came up with the $551 billion estimate_]. He said he curbed Foster on only one specific request, made by Democrats on the eve of the first House vote in June, because he felt they’d use the cost estimates to disrupt the debate. > > “They were trying to be politically cute and get (Foster) to score (estimate the cost of the bill) and put something out publicly so they can walk out on the House floor and cause a political crisis, which is bogus,” Scully said. > > “I just said, `Look, (Foster) works for the executive branch; he’s not going to do it, period,’” he said. > > Otherwise, Scully said, Foster was available to lawmakers and their staffs. This raises a few points on which I think your account of the article is incorrect: First, the $395 billion estimate came from the Congressional Budget Office, not the White House. So it wasn’t the Bush admin’s “report,” at all. Your article alleges the White House “embraced” the $395 billion number, but it doesn’t provide any quotes or examples of how they “embraced” it. Did the White House tell everyone that $395 billion was correct? Did they merely fail to dispute it? So I’m not sure what this means. Second, at the time the Medicare bill was pending in the Senate, there doesn’t appear to have been a White House report on the costs. At most, your article says there was an estimate on the costs of a similar bill in the Senate. Third, the White House’s eventual estimate was $17 billion less than Foster’s estimate. So it’s disengenuous to equate possession of Foster’s supposed estimate and an official White House estimate. Fourth, the Congressional Democrats appeared to know about the estimate. They might have known because this same guy had already estimated that a similar plan in the Senate would cost $150 billion more than the CBO’s estimate. Or they might have known because somebody told them about it. Why couldn’t these conservative Republicans have known about it, too? Fifth, despite the fact that the numbers were released, Foster was not fired. In fact, the only one with a new job appears to be _Foster’s boss, who admitted to refusing access to Foster on (at least) one occasion_. Sixth, I can’t find anything in the article that supports your assertion that “Four months later, the Bush administration _admitted_ that the 540 billion figure was _the correct one_” (emphasis added). I do see where the White House budget director gave his estimate, but nowhere that the Bush administration said that they knew the CBO was wrong all along, or that Foster’s number was right (especially since they seemed to disagree with Foster). Could you please point out your source for that statement? ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205/88 "2005-01-11T22:54:27Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > The whole HELIEDHELIEDHELIED!!! rant has always been such a turn off for me because its so cartoonish. [Which one are you?](http://www.chessbase.com/columns/migpics/pics-hear-see-speak-no-evil.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205/89 "2005-01-11T22:55:19Z")
The one taking the picture of your various aspects of coure Red. 🙂 -XT ---
**Author:** ![Age\_Quod\_Agis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d07c76/32.png) [@Age\_Quod\_Agis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Age_Quod_Agis)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205/90 "2005-01-11T22:57:59Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > He said he was certain, that we were in desperate peril, that nothing would answer but _immediate_ war. This was not true. The distinction between this and a “lie” is sheer sophistry. Is “sophistry” some kind of fancy, book-larnin’ word for “accuracy”? In fact, I believe “sophistry” means that the argument being advanced is appealing, but false. So what you’re actually saying is that people who argue that Bush was wrong but didn’t lie are making advancing an argument that is appealing, but fallacious. Which means that you think Bush lied. Is that right? ---
**Author:** ![annaplurabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@annaplurabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annaplurabelle)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205/91 "2005-01-11T23:03:41Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Agree completely. And like John Mace, this and his handling of the economy cost him my vote as well. Why this isn’t enough for the left is and has been beyond me. Okay. But the question you _don’t_ ask is why it isn’t enough for the _right_. Lesser of two evils? Maybe. As much as I’ve got a libertarian bent I still see it as an unreasonable rationale. Can you really defend that idea? Why you don’t question _that_ lapse of reason is why I often seem to confront you. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205/92 "2005-01-11T23:21:58Z")
Some more cartoons for you, **xt** : [**’A war sold on deception**](http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=%27A_war_sold_on_deception%27) Fully sourced…not that you’d care. Rah rah! USA #1! Nothing else matters. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205/93 "2005-01-11T23:25:22Z")
I’ve been quite baffled by this as well. Back when Clinton almost got kicked out of the White House for lying about a blowjob, I kept thinking, “This is SO going to backfire on the Republicans. They aren’t going to be able to get anyone into office without that person’s history, policy, and decisions being examined with a fine-tooth comb. Nobody’s gonna cut 'em some slack. They’ll be lucky if they last six months.” And then Bush got in. And nothing happened. I mean, the guy takes us to war, a lot of people are certain he’s lying, thousands of American soldiers are dying, and he’s getting a free ride! And then he got re-elected! I just don’t get it. I think a good part of it is the country’s attitude of, “So what, another president lied.”- they’re automatically tuning any sort of HELIEDHELIED out, it’s just becoming noise. I also think that 9/11 had a lot to do with it- the average American wants someone to pay, and they’ve got a convenient target with Iraq. ---
**Author:** ![Jake\_the\_Plumber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@Jake\_the\_Plumber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jake_the_Plumber)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205/94 "2005-01-12T00:00:06Z")
> [@Lightnin'](#): > > And then Bush got in. And nothing happened. What I don’t get is how little issue is made of W’s life pre-2000. It is like America collectively locked that period away in a dark little hole, and it wasn’t really opened up until F-9/11 came out and focused on it… and even then, it was ignored by everyone who still needed any convincing. And F-9/11 was classy about it - it didn’t bring up his tons and tons of drug and alcohol abuse, just his horrible business practices and reliance on being his father’s son. Now, how much focus do you think a Democrat with the same history would get? It baffles me. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205/95 "2005-01-12T00:33:27Z")
> [@Jake the Plumber](#): > > All politicians do it. Lie, that is. At some point in their careers, they bend the truth to achieve their goals; there is rarely a way to do it straight. But when they get caught red-handed, they often face a strong backlash (witness: Nixon, Bush I, Clinton). > > A strange exception arises. Bush II. For 4 years now, he has done pretty much nothing, other than lie to keep the public in a frenzy and lie again to exploit that to achieve his ends. Of course, approx. 47% of the country seems to realize this. > > But what grounds do Bush-apologists stand on? I’m not looking for a flame war between liberals and conservatives, I’m truly fascinated by the phenomenon of the Bush Administration’s domination of will. For most people, having their leader being seen as so incredibly wrong and, well, ineffective at pretty much everything would lead them to choose a new leader… but instead, we get a stream of people who wave off the lies like they are of little consequence. So far you have said nothing and waisted a lot of our time > [@](#): > > I don’t know how much of it is Karl Rove, or any of the other behind-the-scenes conservatives/neocons who enact the plan of action (Bush has proven as inept at everything except being a good candidate of the people, probably because he is as stupid as most of them). Still nothing > [@](#): > > Yes, I’m quite old enough to recall the days when we attacked Yugoslavia. Conservatives instantly jumped up and started tearing at the wallpaper. All kinds of absurd accusations were thrown around, from Clinton selling the US to the UN to the entire war being fake. Ok maybe I can accept this a a build up to your point, finally > [@](#): > > After the war, I recall a lot of conservatives proudly pointing to pictures and saying, “see, that isn’t a mass grave, it is a shadow. Or something.” (Apparently, these are the same people who see a trailer and think “Oh my god, a biochemical lab!” I also remember Republicans supporting the Taliban. but that is getting ahead of myself). Everything under the sun Clinton did, starting roughly around Yugoslavia, was soundly thrashed as lies, and his grand finale was a doozy of a conservative get-out-into-the-streets-and-party. The President lied to us! Impeach him immediately! The President can’t be allowed to lie to us! Well Bush, Clinton, Kerry, and many others all over the political spectrum did express concern about Iraqs weapons, this is what leads me to beleive it was/is true. The Dems doing a 180 to me shows nothing be purely political motivation. > [@](#): > > A scant 5 years after most of this was happening, the situation seems quite reversed. A Republican President _did_ lie to get us into a stupid and costly war… yet the voices on the right are strangely silent suddenly. again the lie you are depending on doesn’t appear to be a lie, all parties, even before W left TX, agreed that there were WMD in Iraq and S.H. had to be delt with. > [@](#): > > Why are lies OK now? Is it just an entirely partisan thing? Well yes, the lies you speak of are purely poltical ON THE LEFT. If you don’t take my word on it look up what the left, said about the WMD’s. > [@](#): > > That is depressing. I expect some answers to be “well, uh, 9/11 changed everything” 9/11 changed NOTHING, THE WORLD IS NOT DIFFERENT, IF YOU THINK IT CHANGED YOU WEREN’T LIVING HERE, WELCOME TO EARTH!!! > [@](#): > > … which is bunk 1st correct thing you said so far > [@](#): > > . 9/11 was not nearly as important as it has been made out to be, other than the Bush Administration’s manipulative lies to make it a grandstand and whip the public into a mindless frenzy willing to do anything for Freedom. Yellow journalism, alive and thriving. > > So, why does Bush get to be a liar, and change his stance on issues, but any Democrat who does so much as scream gets an instant tongue thrashing? Perhaps it goes to intent, Clinton lied and knew he did. IF W stated something that happened to be untrue it was because he acted on faulty information. There is the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205/96 "2005-01-12T00:45:46Z")
> [@SentientMeat](#): > > I cannot condemn such despicable Straussianism strongly enough. "Personally I don’t care if Bush _did_ lie to the moronic vox populii " isn’t an example of Strauss’s “noble lie”, and I think you misunderstand what Strauss was saying when he came up with the idea of the “noble lie”. ---
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205/97 "2005-01-12T00:55:30Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Christ, now I’m going to feel like a right-winger again. > > \*\*I simply don’t believe that Bush lied about WMD. Exaggerated, yes. Obfuscated, yes. Bullied, spun, and demagoged, yes. But lie, no. \*\* (my bolding) > > If one makes the case that Bush lied about WMD, I think it would stand to reason that he was saying something that he knew was false; i.e., he knew that there were no WMD in Iraq, but he said that there were anyway. That’s a damn hard case to make. > > We on the left have sorely misunderestimated Bush. I am convinced that he is the Republican version of Harry Truman: dumb as a rock, shoots from the hip, but also tough and uncompromising. The main difference is that Truman made our country more secure by uniting the Free World against a common threat, and Bush has aggrivated the common threat and divided the Free World. But that doesn’t make him a liar, either. I think that does make him a liar. The definitions of a [lie](http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary) are as follows: 1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive 2 : to create a false or misleading impression I don’t think reasonable people can deny that he has done this with Iraq and on a number of other occasions. Exaggeration, obfuscation, and spin are all ways to avoid telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Not doing any of those things is lying. Perhaps it is not as egregious as deliberate unmitigated deception, but it is lying. Just the fact that Bush did not convey the anbiguity of the Iraqi intelligence is lying. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205/98 "2005-01-12T01:04:06Z")
I don’t know, but I suspect evangelicals see Bush as a Christian brother, so the “seventy times seven” idea may be at work here. As for our other Christian brother, John Kerry, well, he’s a Catholic, so can’t be trusted. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![BrotherCadfael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BrotherCadfael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrotherCadfael)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205/99 "2005-01-12T01:09:07Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Then, given the basics, which have been summarized once again in this thread, how do you maintain that there is still a possibility he might have been simply mistaken? > > You \*know \* he lied. People who don’t know that might have the excuse you describe. What is yours? The question was: “Why do people forgive Bush’s lies?”. Regardless of whether he did or did not in fact lie, a significant part if not a majority of the public are not convinced that he did so. In addition, the vehemence from the Left on this issue has cause a significant part of the electorate to disregard the message. While this may not make you happy, it is the answer to the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Jake\_the\_Plumber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@Jake\_the\_Plumber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jake_the_Plumber)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205/100 "2005-01-12T01:14:08Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > IF W stated something that happened to be untrue it was because he acted on faulty information. _falls on the floor laughing_ Thank you for proving my point. Well done. Blind devotion to Dear Leader strikes again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-forgive-bushs-lies/284205.md?page=6)