# Why do people hate Hillary? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 16, 2000, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-hate-hillary/45912 "2000-12-16T16:35:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2000, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-hate-hillary/45912/1 "2000-12-16T16:35:26Z")
I’ve seen her called Lady MacBeth, she sends shivers, blah blah… I mean, it’s one thing to say, “Well, I don’t agree with her politics, she’s way too left for me” or whatever…but the way she is talked about is as someone who is EVIL I don’t pay much attention to Hillary because I don’t feel either way about her, but this is what I know: She has formed a political partnership with her husband. This has been both beneficial and terribly painful, since it involves sticking by him when he’s a butthead. She tried to get a national health plan together and failed. She fired people who worked in the White house travel office, and hired people she liked better. She bought cattle futures and made a killing She wrote a book about how it takes more than just parents to raise children. She ran for the Senate and won. She’s very smart and very hard working. She is very self-contained and controlled. And that’s about it. None of this really seems like a good reason to think of her as a witch. So…anyone care to enlighten me? ---
**Author:** ![KellyM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/57b2e6/32.png) [@KellyM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyM)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2000, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-hate-hillary/45912/2 "2000-12-16T16:39:05Z")
They hate her for the same reason they hate Janet Reno, with the added complication that she’s better looking. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2000, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-hate-hillary/45912/3 "2000-12-16T17:06:33Z")
I didn’t even realize anyone hated Janet Reno…i thought they were just mean to her because of how she looks. next? ---
**Author:** ![KellyM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/57b2e6/32.png) [@KellyM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyM)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2000, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-hate-hillary/45912/4 "2000-12-16T17:18:50Z")
Hillary and Janet are both examples of strong, forceful women who don’t behave properly. People resent them for their respective successes and their nonconformance to accepted social rules regarding women. You see the same thing, on a smaller scale, with Dianne Feinstein, Maxine Waters, and even Julia Carson (D-Indiana). There are still a lot of people who think that women don’t belong in politics, and especially when they act independently of their (male) controllers. ---
**Author:** ![Mashie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e79b87/32.png) [@Mashie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mashie)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2000, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-hate-hillary/45912/5 "2000-12-16T18:03:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Stoidela \* > \*\* > > She tried to get a national health plan together and failed. > > She fired people who worked in the White house travel office, and hired people she liked better. > > She bought cattle futures and made a killing > > She wrote a book about how it takes more than just parents to raise children. > > She ran for the Senate and won. > > She’s very smart and very hard working. > > She is very self-contained and controlled. > > And that’s about it. None of this really seems like a good reason to think of her as a witch. > > So…anyone care to enlighten me? > > \*\* 1. Her views are Socialist and thought by some to be dangerous to freedom…Dare I say it[I am not looking to get flamed] Communist. 2. Actually most of the REAL reports of her being called a Bee-itch (besides Newt Gingrich through his mom through a heartless partisan Connie Chung) actually come from white house aids and those that happen to be around her when she “blows a fuse” behind the scenes. Oh you say everybody blows a fuse behind the scenes…not true…She is not a very professional person in the office behind the scenes. She has a potty mouth. 1. She is a Carpetbagger, reason for NYers to think she is evil. 2. Although she has no record of political accomplishments, she felt entitled to the Senate. Democrats bought it Republicans are mad. Oh but she won the election you say… A Democrat wins in NY, what an accomplishment. 🆒 3. If you shine a UV light on her forehead you can see the mark of the beast. :eek: 4. Many Suspicious Deaths while President Clinton is in office; I know Bill was there too. As you posted: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Stoidela \ ***She has formed a political partnership with her husband** ---
**Author:** ![Mashie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e79b87/32.png) [@Mashie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mashie)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2000, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-hate-hillary/45912/6 "2000-12-16T18:06:41Z")
I meant to put this link in with #6. [http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a1002662.htm](http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a1002662.htm) ---
**Author:** ![SanibelMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@SanibelMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanibelMan)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2000, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-hate-hillary/45912/7 "2000-12-16T18:14:58Z")
Mashie, I’m kind of suprised that you’d believe Clinton would be able to kill anyone in office. He couldn’t even have an affair in secret. At any rate, here’s what Snopes has to say about that list: [http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/clinton.htm](http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/clinton.htm) And as for calling Hillary a communist, I think that many liberals and socialists would take offense to comparing them to the Soviets. Last I heard, we had good diplomatic relations with the Danes, and the Swedes… ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2000, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-hate-hillary/45912/8 "2000-12-16T18:20:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Stoidela \* > \*\*I’ve seen her called Lady MacBeth, she sends shivers, blah blah… I mean, it’s one thing to say, “Well, I don’t agree with her politics, she’s way too left for me” or whatever…but the way she is talked about is as someone who is EVIL \*\* For the same reason you seem to hate the president elect, they just don’t like her politics. > [@](#): > > \*\* > She has formed a political partnership with her husband. This has been both beneficial and terribly painful, since it involves sticking by him when he’s a butthead. \*\* Well there’s the #1 reason why she gets all that hate. A lot of people hate Bill Clinton, as you say she is a political partner, so therefore she gets some of the hate that would have gone to him. Nobody hated Barbara Bush but a lot of people hated Nancy Reagan for the same reason. > [@](#): > > \*\* > She tried to get a national health plan together and failed. \*\* A lot of people didn’t appreciate the president appointing his wife to accomplish this feat. And I think Hillary and Bill were really surprised when most of America rejected her health care proposals. > [@](#): > > \*\* > She fired people who worked in the White house travel office, and hired people she liked better. \*\* And if a private business did this they’d get into trouble. > [@](#): > > \*\* > She bought cattle futures and made a killing \*\* As soon as you can turn 1,000 into 100,000 let me know. > [@](#): > > \*\* > She wrote a book about how it takes more than just parents to raise children. \*\* A book that should have been called “It Takes a Government.” Simply propaganda for her political beliefs no better then anything Rush wrote. > [@](#): > > \*\* > She ran for the Senate and won. \*\* Good for her. A lot of people don’t like carpetbaggers though. But it appears as though NY didn’t care so why should I? > [@](#): > > \*\* > She’s very smart and very hard working. \*\* So was Nixon. Marc ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2000, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-hate-hillary/45912/9 "2000-12-16T18:42:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KellyM \* > \*\*Hillary and Janet are both examples of strong, forceful women who don’t behave properly. People resent them for their respective successes and their nonconformance to accepted social rules regarding women. You see the same thing, on a smaller scale, with Dianne Feinstein, Maxine Waters, and even Julia Carson (D-Indiana). > > There are still a lot of people who think that women don’t belong in politics, and especially when they act independently of their (male) controllers. \*\* KellyM, the only reason I completely disagree with you is because you are a woman. Nope, I wouldn’t disagree with you because there are plenty of republican women, the only possible reason I could have for disagreeing with you is sexism. Yeah, no conservative would ever disagree with an extreme liberal woman like Maxine Waters for her political beliefs, only because women shouldn’t think for themselves. So, you girls please be quiet now, we men are trying to have a serious political discussion and your hysterical girlish ranting and raving is distracting us… ---
**Author:** ![Mashie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e79b87/32.png) [@Mashie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mashie)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2000, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-hate-hillary/45912/10 "2000-12-16T18:50:13Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Lemur866 \* \*\* > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KellyM \* > \*\* > KellyM, the only reason I completely disagree with you is because you are a woman. Nope, I wouldn’t disagree with you because there are plenty of republican women, the only possible reason I could have for disagreeing with you is sexism. Yeah, no conservative would ever disagree with an extreme liberal woman like Maxine Waters for her political beliefs, only because women shouldn’t think for themselves. So, you girls please be quiet now, we men are trying to have a serious political discussion and your hysterical girlish ranting and raving is distracting us… \*\* Nothing to add except that I am ROFL:D ---
**Author:** ![Pyrrhonist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pyrrhonist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pyrrhonist)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2000, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-hate-hillary/45912/11 "2000-12-16T18:51:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mashie \* > > \*\*Her views are Socialist and thought by some to be dangerous to freedom…Dare I say it[I am not looking to get flamed] Communist. > \*\* I wholly agree here. In her heart of hearts, I believe, Hillary is a Socialist and wants the long heavy hand of Government to control the lives of Americans by numerous Social programs. This, by my book, is bona fide evil. Just look at her failed Health Care scheme and you get to peek into her true nature. I would also add, as a point against her, she believes in vast Right Wing Conspiracies. Or was that an out and out lie?. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Mashie \* > \*\* > Many Suspicious Deaths while President Clinton is in office; I know Bill was there too._\* I hate to defend Hillary, but this one is one is a stretcher and a little hard to believe. As for the name calling of the Lady MacBeth of New York, I think that may be a touch unfair. After all, Shakespeare’s character developed a guilty conscious upon seeing the image of a bloody dagger, but Hillary would probably ask “Is it sharp enough it cut off Bill’s slick willie.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Spiny\_Norman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@Spiny\_Norman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiny_Norman)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2000, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-hate-hillary/45912/12 "2000-12-16T18:51:40Z")
Mashie sez: > [@](#): > > Dare I say it[I am not looking to get flamed] Communist Take it from me, you shouldn’t have dared - good thing you posted the disclaimer. Perhaps you should have added [I don’t know what Communism is] as well. Right, the OP: **Good** question. Obviously, a lot of people find it way easier to attack people than their point of views. Perhaps the attacks appear more vitriolic to us because Hillary is a special case compared to the average politician, being a woman, First Lady etc. - this opens some avenues of attack not normally used, and this has a sort of “first-time” shock effect. Or perhaps it’s simply frustration that the Clinton team is getting a second chance because both have the audacity to be talented politicians. S. Norman ---
**Author:** ![Mashie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e79b87/32.png) [@Mashie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mashie)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2000, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-hate-hillary/45912/13 "2000-12-16T19:00:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Spiny Norman \* > [B}perhaps it’s simply frustration that the Clinton team is getting a second chance because both have the audacity to be talented politicians. > \*\* Would you please give me evidence of HILLARY! being a talented politician. She ran for one office and got it because she is a Demokrat with notoriety. She has absolutely no political achievements to speak of…except that she says she cares about children. ---
**Author:** ![peace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@peace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peace)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2000, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-hate-hillary/45912/14 "2000-12-16T19:10:37Z")
## Answering the OP from the personal point of view: I do not like Janet Reno, but she is the one who has different views. Which is understandble and is OK. Hillarious talks if she were my mother, like she knows something I could never understand, and, being who she is, she is willing to explain everything to me, so now I know better, how to put two and two together. That I hate. And she is soooo phoney… I remember her say, with a straight face, that she was named after Sir Hillary (who climbed Mt. Everest). Yeah, right. He did it five years after she was born. So false, I want to take a shower every time I hear her speak. Peace ---
**Author:** ![Spiny\_Norman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@Spiny\_Norman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiny_Norman)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2000, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-hate-hillary/45912/15 "2000-12-16T19:12:14Z")
I’d call winning a US Senate seat quite a political achievement. YMMV. It remains to be seen if she can do anything worthwhile with it, of course. ---
**Author:** ![JDM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/90db22/32.png) [@JDM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JDM)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2000, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-hate-hillary/45912/16 "2000-12-16T19:55:05Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Pyrrhonist \* \*\* [QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Mashie \* I would also add, as a point against her, she believes in vast Right Wing Conspiracies. Or was that an out and out lie?. They may not be all that vast, but Richard Mellon Scaife and a few others have certainly made it well funded. JDM ---
**Author:** ![Sterra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8c91f0/32.png) [@Sterra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterra)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2000, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-hate-hillary/45912/17 "2000-12-16T20:54:05Z")
JDM was that post supposed to make any sense?🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2000, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-hate-hillary/45912/18 "2000-12-16T21:18:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by peace \* > \*\* > And she is soooo phoney… I remember her say, with a straight face, that she was named after Sir Hillary (who climbed Mt. Everest). Yeah, right. He did it five years after she was born. So false, I want to take a shower every time I hear her speak. > \*\* Did she say she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary BECAUSE he climbed Everest? Because unless she said THAT, then it is wrong to accuse her of lying about it. After all, the man existed prior to climbing Everest. It’s entirely likely that back then he was a minor celebrity before he actually conquered the mountain and her parents could have heard of him/admired him for any number of reasons we don’t know about. Don’t go jumping. ---
**Author:** ![JDM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/90db22/32.png) [@JDM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JDM)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2000, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-hate-hillary/45912/19 "2000-12-16T21:28:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Asmodean \* > \*\*JDM was that post supposed to make any sense?🙂 \*\* OK I’ll try again. There are several people, Richard Mellon Scaife notable among them, who have provided a lot of money and direction for the Clinton haters. This group, as I said, is not really “vast” but it has been very active in trying to damage Clinton. If we want a real mysterious death to look into, how about Steve Kangas, who was found shot in Scaife’s bathroom? JDM ---
**Author:** ![KellyM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/57b2e6/32.png) [@KellyM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyM)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2000, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-hate-hillary/45912/20 "2000-12-16T21:29:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by peace \* > **I remember her say, with a straight face, that she was named after Sir Hillary (who climbed Mt. Everest). Yeah, right. He did it five years after she was born. So false, I want to take a shower every time I hear her speak.** Did it ever occur to you that she might have been named after him for something he did **prior** to climbing Everest? Everest wasn’t the first mountain Sir Hillary climbed, you know. I have to wonder, too, why you have to make up reasons as petty as this one to dislike her. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-people-hate-hillary/45912.md?page=2)