"the freedom to rape, destroy, and plunder is a bedrock value to them.
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they are evil idiots, the blight of planet earth
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Granted, nothing about eating babies or bathing in tears, but it’s plain gaslighting to deny the vicious demonization going on.
It would be interesting to see a poll of people in favor or against lockdowns that factors in the participants ability to afford food and shelter when they are out of a job.
In any case it’s not as if being at risk has kept people from heigh-hoing their way to work, every day people perform dangerous jobs where they are exposed to serious injury, death or long term health problems so that they can support themselves and their families and so that others can enjoy a higher standard of living.
In the end saying to people “I’m scared so you must to do as I said” is a hard sell, specially when calling those people evil idiots or worse.
Fair enough on the note, the main point then going forward is that one should notice that on this, many times the positions of the Republicans are not really understandable, simply because they are coming from a lot of ignorance relying on ignorance.
Take for example the one that has Republicans praising Trump for not following what others leaders did in time of crisis, like using the power of government to organize resources to get crucial medical equipment into hospitals, the result has been a mess, the result had been graft and the tax payers money wasted well beyond to what even an unscrupulous price gouger would consider excessive.
People who bust their ass all day every day to make a living generally don’t have the time or interest to expostulate endlessly on the internet; they are outside the bubble and people here should have the decency of acknowledging that and also that propitiating a depression by overreacting will hurt those people more than the rich.
There’s also a breakdown by party, and for ‘generation’. One can guess that the GenZ and Millenial cohort are more apt to be lacking the ability to afford food and shelter when out of a job (being younger and all), and they both approve of quarantine at the rate of 73%.
In sum, unless that poll is wildly wrong, a large majority are not in favor of relaxing quarantine, and in many states they’d like stricter measures in place.
I think the Point there was what the Republicans propose as being understandable not that the poster did agree 100% with that; again, when it is going against science and expert advice what the Republicans propose is not really understandable.
Many Republicans in the highest levels of power are ignoring what needs to be done too, as in having more testing available to identify where is that ending restrictions will be ok. Unfortunately, I have seen reports were the testing has also been mired in the same insane free for all for equipment that will continue to waste taxpayer money in the most affected states and their time.
That may be a factor, but I do think the one about allowing graft at the highest levels is easier to continue as long as chaos is, the most effective way to get cronies and future kickback supporters to continue in the gravy train of money made with the health equipment is to end restrictions sooner.
Yes, I think that if the first big hot spot had been some small town in Kansas or Kentucky the “open the country back up now!” people would be a little more subdued because it would have shown anywhere can get hit.
I think it’s important to start the conversation of when to end the restrictions. Now is too early IMO but I don’t think we should wait until the vaccine is ready either.
Personally I’m employed full-time working from home so the restrictions are a minor inconvenience for me but it’s been devastating to the small business owners in the community I live in.
Not to mention:Pope Francis has reminded the faithful that “spiritual Communion” - inviting Jesus into one’s heart and soul when receiving the actual sacrament isn’t possible - is part of Catholic tradition.
So, the *Pope personally *has said you dont need to gather and has said to stay home.
Oh please. This thread is littered with the likes of, “Republican don’t listen to science! They’re all rich assholes who just want the poor to starve anyway! They want to see people die!” I didn’t even have to read most of the thread to get that impression. I also figured that’d be the case since that’s all you see in any, “Why do Republicans…” posts (because Republicans are all identical).
I agree with you. As much as I am 100% for religious freedom, churches are NOT being targeted. Churches, movie theaters, community theaters, retail stores - all these places are forced to close, or at least not allow groups of people at once. Nothing is stopping a church from streaming its services or mailing programs to congregation members. I have a dad and a cousin who are lamenting how targeted churches are, and it boggles my mind how they justify that opinion. I sympathize with those are miss church, but they will open back up again when everywhere else is allowed to.
But in any event, you’re confusing two different issues, the theological issue, and the pragmatic response to the current situation.
In my comment, I was responding to Broomstick’s comment that there is nothing in the Abrahamic religions which requires communal worship. I think that is a very sweeping claim, and not sustainable. I can’t speak to Judaism or Islam, but certainly sacramental theology in some strands of Christianity emphasise that communal worship is a key aspect of religion. In particular, the Eucharist is normally considered a communal act of worship.
Now, as a pragmatic approach to the problem, churches can take measures such as that suggested by the Bishop of Rome and other churches, but that is a different issue from the statement Broomstick made, which runs counter to sacramental theology in many strands of Christianity. Regular communal worship is a core element of sacramental theology.
Again, since I’m not CofE, that’s of interest, certainly, but not binding.
And again, you’re responding to the pragmatic issue; temporary allowances, in light of current situations. I’m responding to Broomstick’s statement of theology.