# Why do series finales suck? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 10, 2017, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-series-finales-suck/786302 "2017-05-10T18:25:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![drewder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@drewder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewder)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-series-finales-suck/786302/1 "2017-05-10T18:25:51Z")
It seems like most long running shows that have a hard time ending and tend to suck. Beloved shows like Seinfeld, How I met your Mother, Lost and others just have terrible endings. Why can’t they finish as strong as the show? For the record I loved the ending of Hart of Dixie. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-series-finales-suck/786302/2 "2017-05-10T18:28:34Z")
In the case of _How I met your Mother_,the creators had an ending in mind and stuck with it, when the direction the show had taken tended to require a modified ending. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-series-finales-suck/786302/3 "2017-05-10T18:42:08Z")
You know, I was not a big fan of the Seinfeld series finale at the time, but when I see it in reruns, I think it is as funny as anything else they did in the last couple seasons. Maybe it’s just that people’s expectations get so ramped up that it’s hard for the actual finale to meet those expectations. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-series-finales-suck/786302/4 "2017-05-10T18:46:30Z")
In some cases, it’s because the finale for a 30-minute show is a bloated 90-minute (or more) mess. ---
**Author:** ![drewder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@drewder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewder)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-series-finales-suck/786302/5 "2017-05-10T18:47:07Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > You know, I was not a big fan of the Seinfeld series finale at the time, but when I see it in reruns, I think it is as funny as anything else they did in the last couple seasons. Maybe it’s just that people’s expectations get so ramped up that it’s hard for the actual finale to meet those expectations. It was a clip show. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-series-finales-suck/786302/6 "2017-05-10T18:47:28Z")
I thought **Vikings** and **Downton Abbey** were well done. Now, if **Once Upon A Time** can pay attention to the [writing on the wall](http://deadline.com/2017/05/jennifer-morrison-leaving-once-upon-a-time-emmas-swan-whats-next-1202087274/) and take a graceful bow… **ST:TNG** and \*\*DS9 \*\*had good endings too. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-series-finales-suck/786302/7 "2017-05-10T18:48:58Z")
> [@drewder](#): > > > [@Shoeless](#): > > > > You know, I was not a big fan of the Seinfeld series finale at the time, but when I see it in reruns, I think it is as funny as anything else they did in the last couple seasons. Maybe it’s just that people’s expectations get so ramped up that it’s hard for the actual finale to meet those expectations. > > It was a clip show. The Seinfeld finale was _not_ a clip show, although the episode preceding it was. In the finale, they were taking a private jet to London but had to make an emergency landing in Massachusetts, where they got into legal trouble, basically for the same anti-social behavior they’d engaged in all along. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-series-finales-suck/786302/8 "2017-05-10T18:49:05Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > You know, I was not a big fan of the Seinfeld series finale at the time, but when I see it in reruns, I think it is as funny as anything else they did in the last couple seasons. Maybe it’s just that people’s expectations get so ramped up that it’s hard for the actual finale to meet those expectations. I think it’s one part this and one part: If you’ve been told you’re being laid off in two weeks, how much of an effort are you going to put in at your job? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-series-finales-suck/786302/9 "2017-05-10T18:53:03Z")
> [@drewder](#): > > It was a clip show. There was a half hour clip show at the beginning and then the 90 minute episode where Jerry and George sell their show, take a trip to France only to have their plane crash in Massachusetts(?) and for them to be arrested and tried for violating the good Samaritan law. Very little of that was a clip show, though they did have a reunion of many of the eccentric minor characters who appeared on early episodes. I liked it, though there was no way it could have lived up to expectations. ETA: Missed **Dewey Finn’s** post, so, uh, what he said. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-series-finales-suck/786302/10 "2017-05-10T18:53:06Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > I thought **Vikings** and **Downton Abbey** were well done. Now, if **Once Upon A Time** can pay attention to the [writing on the wall](http://deadline.com/2017/05/jennifer-morrison-leaving-once-upon-a-time-emmas-swan-whats-next-1202087274/) and take a graceful bow… > > **ST:TNG** and \*\*DS9 \*\*had good endings too. Vikings isn’t over: [http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/vikings/253865/vikings-season-5-release-date-and-other-news](http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/vikings/253865/vikings-season-5-release-date-and-other-news) ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-series-finales-suck/786302/11 "2017-05-10T18:56:02Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > I thought **Vikings** and **Downton Abbey** were well done. Now, if **Once Upon A Time** can pay attention to the [writing on the wall](http://deadline.com/2017/05/jennifer-morrison-leaving-once-upon-a-time-emmas-swan-whats-next-1202087274/) and take a graceful bow… > > **ST:TNG** and \*\*DS9 \*\*had good endings too. Vikings is still running it’s just between seasons. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-series-finales-suck/786302/12 "2017-05-10T18:59:41Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > I think it’s one part this and one part: If you’ve been told you’re being laid off in two weeks, how much of an effort are you going to put in at your job? How many series that manage to have a finale get canceled with only a two-week notice? Usually, those are long-running series where the producers and cast know going in that it will be the final season, such as _Seinfeld_ or _Everybody Loves Raymond_. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-series-finales-suck/786302/13 "2017-05-10T19:02:32Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Vikings isn’t over: > > [http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/vikings/253865/vikings-season-5-release-date-and-other-news](http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/vikings/253865/vikings-season-5-release-date-and-other-news) Dammit, I meant **Black Sails**. :o ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-series-finales-suck/786302/14 "2017-05-10T19:17:20Z")
I think the factors that make a good TV series work against having a good ending. In the Seinfeld case, there really wasn’t a plot so there couldn’t be an ending. All that could happen was that the show ended, which is what happened. For plot heavy shows, it becomes incredibly hard to maintain the series over several years (e.g., Lost). Plus there is the expectation of wrapping everything up. Good luck with that. In other words, something that could be wrapped up should have been wrapped up ages ago, and plots that can span several years probably can’t be wrapped up. Monster of the Week shows are probably the best suited for a good series finale since the season can build up to defeating a big-bad. I bailed on Buffy before the end so I don’t know if that was a good finale or not, but I can see the potential there for something good. Star Trek is a sort of Monster (or Mystery) of the week show. And TNG had a good finale. In a sense, the a good finale stands on its own as essentially a good movie of the week set in the series universe. Once it takes on the bloat of X number of years of history it is doomed. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim_r.mortiss/32/142_2.png) [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_R.Mortiss)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-series-finales-suck/786302/15 "2017-05-10T19:23:28Z")
I think series finales usually suck because they violate the very premise of the show. The show was conceived as an on-going story, not something with an ending. So when they try to put a bow around it, it feels wrong somehow (at best) or fails miserably (at worst). My favorite “finale” episodes are the ones where nothing really changes. You get to believe the characters are still going on with their lives the same as before, they just aren’t bothering to film it anymore. That said, some of my favorite finales where they actually did “end” things were: Magnum P.I., Burn Notice, and of course Newhart. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-series-finales-suck/786302/16 "2017-05-10T19:26:49Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > How many series that manage to have a finale get canceled with only a two-week notice? Usually, those are long-running series where the producers and cast know going in that it will be the final season, such as _Seinfeld_ or _Everybody Loves Raymond_. The length of time is irrelevant. Most people lose the wind out of their sails once they see the finish line approaching. So yes, even if I know a year in advance, sure, I’ll do a good job for 11 months or so, but during those last days… “Meh”. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-series-finales-suck/786302/17 "2017-05-10T19:44:05Z")
On the flip side, I think _Angel_ did a fantastic job with its two-part finale. They had roughly six weeks (if memory serves) to write and film the finale, because everyone involved with the show fully expected it to be renewed for a sixth season. When it wasn’t – and that announcement came in mid-February of the final season – Joss Whedon and the team scrambled to bring some closure to the show. The fact that they did it – and did it brilliantly, in my opinion – in such a short timeframe remains one of the most creative efforts I’ve seen from a television show. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-series-finales-suck/786302/18 "2017-05-10T19:51:37Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > How many series that manage to have a finale get canceled with only a two-week notice? _Pushing Daisies_. But they shot one final scene to give it some closure. _Awake_ was the same – it closed things nicely (but still left room for another season, if one had happened). Basically, some are good and some are bad. _Newhart_ was brilliant. _Life on Mars_ (US version) was awful. _The Dick van Dyke Show_ also had a great finale, where they did some things they hadn’t tried during the run of the show. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-series-finales-suck/786302/19 "2017-05-10T19:56:35Z")
Finales tend to be written more as “a thank you note to the show’s fans” than as a normal episode that just happens to tie up loose ends. Also, in a lot of cases, something happens on the finale that kills the show’s dynamic - for example, the last episode of _Barney Miller_ has the precinct being shut down, and _The Mary Tyler Moore Show_ ended with everybody except Ted being fired… However, there does tend to be a little “wiggle room” written into more recent finales, just in case they want to have a reunion episode; I think the writers of _Bones_ mentioned that they did this. Besides, you could always just retcon the finale, the way _The Bob Newhart Show_ did (in the end, they move to Oregon as Emily got a job there, but in the reunion show - the one after Bob’s dream that he owned an inn in Vermont - pretends this never happened). ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-series-finales-suck/786302/20 "2017-05-10T20:22:18Z")
In the past, series finales tended to be better, IMHO. The ending to _M_A_S_H\* was quite good. The ending to _St. Elsewhere_ was excellent. I loved the ending to _Magnum, P. I._ (the real ending, not the one they did the year prior, though that wasn’t too bad, either). But after _M_A_S_H\*'s ending, the whole concept started getting a bit overdone, like they have to jump the shark in the process. The ending to _Moonlighting_ was an example. After a while, they just started getting ridiculous, trying for too much. That’s especially true if the series gets cancelled before it anticipated being done. ☹ [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-series-finales-suck/786302.md?page=2)