# Why do so many Trekkers hate "Star Trek:Voyager" so much? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 23, 2002, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-so-many-trekkers-hate-star-trek-voyager-so-much/129220 "2002-09-23T03:06:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Bambi\_Hassenpfeffer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Bambi\_Hassenpfeffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bambi_Hassenpfeffer)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-so-many-trekkers-hate-star-trek-voyager-so-much/129220/101 "2011-11-15T15:30:47Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > The first two seasons of Enterprise, with the temporal cold war, were an utter disaster. Season 3 improved with at least an interesting story line and showed the humans utterly out of their depth. Then season 4 did exactly what Enterprise should have done in the first place, play with a modern take on the original series, bringing in a lot of the concepts and showing how the humans encountered them. You can put that down to Manny Coto. He came on as a writer in season 3, then moved to showrunner for season 4. The less Bermaga, the better, apparently. Thank God VOY kept them from ruining DS9. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-so-many-trekkers-hate-star-trek-voyager-so-much/129220/102 "2011-11-15T15:51:39Z")
> [@Bambi\_Hassenpfeffer](#): > > You can put that down to Manny Coto. He came on as a writer in season 3, then moved to showrunner for season 4. The less Bermaga, the better, apparently. Thank God VOY kept them from ruining DS9. That’s right. That rings a bell. I’d forgotten about that. He really turned it around to the point I was genuinely sad when it got cancelled despite hating season one. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-so-many-trekkers-hate-star-trek-voyager-so-much/129220/103 "2011-11-15T16:53:48Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > That’s right. That rings a bell. I’d forgotten about that. He really turned it around to the point I was genuinely sad when it got cancelled despite hating season one. He verged on fan-fic, though. And I loathed his wasting an episode on “why Klingon makeup changed.” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-so-many-trekkers-hate-star-trek-voyager-so-much/129220/104 "2011-11-15T17:17:31Z")
Holy shit. Season 1 of _Enterprise_ was **nine years ago?!** ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-so-many-trekkers-hate-star-trek-voyager-so-much/129220/105 "2011-11-15T17:31:13Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > He verged on fan-fic, though. And I loathed his wasting an episode on “why Klingon makeup changed.” :rolleyes: See, I’m the exact opposite. That’s exactly what I wanted the show to be: filling us in on the backstory of the universe we had grown to love. Otherwise making it a prequel of a well-established set of series makes no sense. Granted, it would grow from that, but the distinct lack of feeling like we were actually in the past is what hurt the show for me. The only thing that sort of worked was the transporter, and even it was too convenient and worked too well to be treated as if it were somehow something to be wary of. The only way I was able to finally watch the show was to pretend it was an alternate universe. And, then, towards the end, it started feeling like Star Trek. And Afflicition/Divergence to me epitomized that change. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-so-many-trekkers-hate-star-trek-voyager-so-much/129220/106 "2011-11-15T17:44:32Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > See, I’m the exact opposite. That’s exactly what I wanted the show to be: filling us in on the backstory of the universe we had grown to love. Showing sealots, sand storms and nictating membranes just to show how cool he was, for example, like someone who writes fan fic in their parent’s basement. And Surak was such a wimp! I’ve always picture him as Mark Lenard, a big guy who chose peace and logic rather than a wimpy guy who had no choice. 🙂 But yes, generally _Enterprise_ improved quite a bit at the last. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-so-many-trekkers-hate-star-trek-voyager-so-much/129220/107 "2011-11-15T23:55:11Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > He verged on fan-fic, though. And I loathed his wasting an episode on “why Klingon makeup changed.” :rolleyes: I found it quite amusing that they went to that length. Not as amusing as Worf’s “We don’t talk about it” reaction though … ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-so-many-trekkers-hate-star-trek-voyager-so-much/129220/108 "2011-11-16T00:04:30Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > I found it quite amusing that they went to that length. Not as amusing as Worf’s “We don’t talk about it” reaction though … 🙂 They should have left it at, “We do not speak of it.” ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-so-many-trekkers-hate-star-trek-voyager-so-much/129220/109 "2011-11-16T00:31:51Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Holy shit. > > Season 1 of _Enterprise_ was **nine years ago?!** It’s been a long road… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Untoward\_Parable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/51bf81/32.png) [@Untoward\_Parable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Untoward_Parable)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-so-many-trekkers-hate-star-trek-voyager-so-much/129220/110 "2011-11-16T01:08:31Z")
I really liked the fan fiction episodes about the klingons, actually all the episodes with old characters were great imo. But theres no accounting for taste after all. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-so-many-trekkers-hate-star-trek-voyager-so-much/129220/111 "2011-11-16T01:27:20Z")
> [@Untoward\_Parable](#): > > I really liked the fan fiction episodes about the klingons, actually all the episodes with old characters were great imo. But theres no accounting for taste after all. The virus ridge thing just seemed silly to me. I’m glad that you enjoyed it. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-so-many-trekkers-hate-star-trek-voyager-so-much/129220.md?page=5)