For a moment I thought there was a new Star Trek TV show in the making for the reference in the OP.
Then I realized that this thread is 9 years old and that the “new show” was Enterprise. So the doper that resurrected this thread needs to be shot twice: one for reminding me of Neelix and the other for remainding me of the “xindis”(¿?).
If anybody needs me I’ll be in my bunk discussing something with Tu Pol… or was it Tuvok?
The basic problem is the basic concept.
Which was stolen from Lost In Space or Battlestar Galactica.
I.E.–wandering spaceships, lost on a hopeless journey.
If we flood the server with verteron particles, we can open a wormhole and send these posts back to 2002 where they are meant to be.
It’s not the basic concept that was the problem, it was that the people in charge wanted to do things that didn’t make for a good show.
For example, the holodeck. People don’t watch Star Trek because they want to watch Captain Janeway play a video game about a Victorian-era romance. If you can’t overcome this initial disadvantage it’s your fault, not theirs.
Only a complete idiot - like Rick Berman - would think “Let’s drag everyone else down to make the aliens look real in comparison!” is a good idea, if you’re not going to relegate the newly boring characters to the background at the same time.
Yup, giving Wesley the same score as Odo? And Riker gets a perfect score?!? And even within Voyager, Paris scores higher than 7-of-9? Mind-boggling.
To echo many of the complaints.
Ship’s captain wants to be a governess to two brats and moody father in the 18th century?
XO has magical insight powers from a race that couldn’t figure out how to invent the wheel.
Whining wet nose Ensign Kim with crush on Mommy Janeway.
Tom Paris as supposed ace pilot with interest in…guess what…1960s!!!
Half human Half Klingon female with permanent PMS. The HHHK female in ST:TNG that screwed
Worf to produce his son had a presence, had humour, seemed interesting. Not Torres.
Neelix. irritating, although the episode when he tried to get a map on a space station to
prove his worth and ran into disaster was pretty good on the traps we get into when
we lie (too bad Paterno and Pedolphile State didn’t see it.
Seven of Nine. Hot but obvious. Kes, in her own way, was understatedly sexy
Doctor: had personality but seven years and except for an episode with Beowulf, he couldn’t
choose a name?
Little conflict despite having two separate crews who are essentially at war and don’[t find out it was resolved for several years.
This has little to do with the series and probably not the producers fault. Although since it was planned as the flagship for a new network, maybe it was. The local NYC station it aired on, kept having teasers to watch the following newscast to find out new things about “Voyager”.
Best moment" Bride of Chaotica, a hologram parody of Flash Gordon/Buck Rogers serials.
Worst: A frozen Amelia Earhart 70,000 light years from earth?
VGR had some good episodes, but the ratio of crap:excellence was far too high.
I’m easily entertained and rarely overly critical of TV. I liked Voyager and thought it was better than most TV that was on at the time. I don’t think it was the best of the Star Trek shows, but it held its own and I’d watch reruns now if I noticed they were on.
How do these super old threads get found and bumped so often? Wouldn’t you just start a new thread rather than bump a 9 year old thread?
Oh, come on! That’s worse than Janeway and Paris becoming giant slugs . . . and mating???
For me, the storylines were horribly uninteresting. Some of it was the writing sure but for me, Mrs. Colombo never really seemed like a starship captain but more like Cdr. Shelby from TNG. Choke-Otay was boring even on his occassional vision quest. B’llanna was a little more interesting with the half-Kingon/half-Human story. And I could never tell if Tom Paris and Harry Kim were having sex in the head (insert Tom, Dick and Harry joke here) or Tom was giving Harry swirlies there.
That being said, Voyager did have one of the best Star Trek episodesof all time
I watched a few episodes along the way, but I remember losing all interest in the first episode. As I recall, some shitty race wanted water. They had starships (superior to Voyager), but were too inept to make water.
That pushes some bounds of what I’m willing to accept in sci-fi. Even if their culture had degenerated so they lost all knowledge of science and technology, Janeway could have at least informed them how to create water. Say by harvesting comets, or building atmospheric condensers, or collecting hydrogen and setting fire to it. Couple that with terrible acting, directing and writing, I just couldn’t be bothered to care about the series.
That, and the fact that the only reason they’re stuck out in the Delta Quadrant in the first place is Janeway’s stubborn refusal to obey the Prime Directive.
And here I was hoping that Bosda had been the one to resurrect this for the irony value.
Completely illogical, I agree.
The weirdest thing about this thread to me is that I had a visceral reaction to “Trekker” in the title. I apparently have a heretofore unknown (and strong) preference for Trekkie.
Way too many “techno-babble problem, techno-babble solution” episodes, which I figure includes all stories in which something goes wrong with the Doctor or Seven of Nine or the holodeck and it gets traced back a faulty subroutine / Borg implant / subroutine.
There were a few isolated good episodes, but overall not nearly enough. Fact is, I just didn’t care about Seven of Nine’s attempts to become human, or the Doctor’s, or Torres’s temper, or Paris’s… whatever the hell Paris’s problem was. Tuvok was the only regular character on the show I kinda liked, and his function was to be routinely over-ruled so Janeway could solve problems in a touchy-feely way, rather like how TNG-era Worf’s function was to be routinely over-ruled so Picard could solve problems in a cerebral nonviolent way.
Further, Neelix seemed to be there solely to constantly remind the audience that this was not and never would be a show for grown-ups.
Huh. I hadn’t noticed the extreme zombification of this thread and it looks like I made similar comments back in 2002, including describing Janeway’s problem-solving approach as “touchy-feely”.
Funny thing is - as I get older, I find myself appreciating the TOS episodes a lot more, while TNG and Voyager reruns increasingly make me wince.
I thought Worf’s function was to get beat up so we could see that the alien-of-the-week was serious this time. Dude got his ass kicked more often than Tonto.
He can do two things!
As far as Wesley getting 8/10 for me and Riker getting full points goes it really comes down to the later episodes where I felt Wesley go weaker and Riker got stronger as a character, but then of course Riker’s cameos on other shows and movie appearances were just bad, but thats those production’s issues not SNG, but I can see the argument either way, maybe Riker should be a little lower and Wes higher regardless they both get high marks by me.
As far as Paris scoring higher than 7 of 9 that’s because she sucked at acting and was written horribly and her costume was absurd, and not in a good way outside of porn universes. Paris was not great either but then its not like he even got above avg in my rating.