why do some people think the Holocaust didn't happen?

But if no one ever debates one of them, s/he will come to believe that s/he is a castaway in an ocean of erroneous ideas created by the media matrix.

Even Holocaust experts have doubted the “Six Million” figure. I have heard numbers - and not by “deniers”- as low as 4 million. Some point out that although there are between 5>6 million Jews missing, there was a very large war going on there, and millions of non-Jew German civilians were killed also. However, these guys don’t doubt both the work/concentration camps or the death camps- or that many many Jews were deliberately murdered. Just that the number may be too large. Still- even 3 million is heinous and genocidal.

Some also point out that some of the more hard-core Zionists do seem to ignore or minimize the millions of Slavs, gays, Gypsies and others killed in those same camps. “The Holocaust” was more than "just Jews’- in fact by many estimates the Jews accounted for not quite half of those killed by the Nazis in camps, etc. This is very real, and not at all an unreasonable position to take. You’re not a “denier” if you want to point out that Gays died there too.

However, by the very rabid “Holocaust Defenders”- both of those groups are lumped in with the neo-nazi or crazy groups that insist “there was no such thing”. In other words- “either you are in with us 100% or you are against us”. This attitude does not “win freinds & influnce people”.

And- the “Death camps” are not backed by loads of undeniable evidence. However, the evidence is enough to- IMHO- convince any reasonable person (I am convinced).

No one doubts the “concentration camps”- which killed far more people than the death camps did, in any case. Then again, Stalin had very similar camps which likely killed more people than Hitlers did. They don’t mention THAT very often, either.

[hijack] Almost the exact same arguments are often used in Japan to deny that the Rape of Nanking ever happened:

  • A photo in Iris Chang’s book may be mislabeled, so the claims are all false.
  • There’s no record of the Emperor or some other general specifically ordering it, so it couldn’t have happened.
  • It’s all a bunch of lies by the Chinese trying to get international sympathy so they can eventually take over (very common).

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Quite simply the reason that many people no longer believe the holocaust happened is the fact that there is absolutely no evidence that it did. The burden of proof is always on those making the accusations. Many of the photos that were taken on the days of liberation were intentionally held and only those showing malnourished and diseased prisoners were released. The fact that there was prevalent typhus epidemics combined with allied bombings and lack of food was the true reason for the deaths of those at the concentration camps. The scale of which has dropped SIGNIFICANTLY from at first being as high as 6 million people to the now accepted number of closer to 200,000 to 1million. Quite simply we don’t know exactly how many people perished in the camps in Poland because there was never an investigation allowed. However the thing that many people don’t understand is that there were no “death camps” or “gas chambers”. Even at the most notorious camp, Auschwitz, the only proof of there being a “gas chamber” was a reconstructed air raid shelter made by the Russians post war.

Here is a detailed, non biased documentary done recently concerning the Auschwitz that can explain alot of this better than i can.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=976870941610001004

What we have to ask as responsible members of society is what will be done to right the injustices perpetrated by those at the Trials at Nuremberg. Countless German soldiers were put to death and an entire population was shunned by the world because of lies and that the fact that whoever wins the wars gets to write the history books.

I encourage you to do your own research and look into these things, don’t just believe what your told. Even in this day and age if you so much as ask an intelligent question about the supposed holocaust you are treated like a racist. Race, creed, or nationality has nothing to do with it. It’s about the truth.

How many of those who died in the Holocaust were zombies?

Well, they all are, now.

Blazer, crawl back under your rock. You and your kind aren’t worth the time or effort.

I, for one, welcome our new Holocaust victim zombie overlords.

Not only are you resurrecting an 8-year-old discussion with nonsense and bullshit, you fucking moron…
you’re doing it with nonsense and bullshit.

Come sit f2f with my mother and grandparents and ask them about the gas chambers.

Ugh.

[Moderator Note]

chiroptera, regardless of your opinion of the poster, insults are not permitted in GQ. Don’t do this again.

Colibri
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MasonBlazer, this is more appropriate for Great Debates than this forum. Since this thread is very old, I am going to close it rather than move it. If you wish to debate the Holocaust, open a new thread in Great Debates.

Colibri
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