# why do straight guys find girl-on-girl action hot, almost universally? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [May 2, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046 "2010-05-02T17:35:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maggie_the_Ocelot)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046/81 "2010-05-04T20:13:12Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > On the other hand, men are gross, hairy creatures. I can’t imagine why you’d want to see ANY men having sex. > . You, sir, are looking at the wrong men. Two men who are as easy on the eyes (in the male fashion) as porn-women are easy on the eyes (in the female fashion)? Hellz yes. Remember the scene in My Own Private Idaho, with River Phoenix and Keanu Reeves kissing? That was _really_ hot. Question: for the guys, when you watch a two-women-only scene, do you project yourself as one of the women? Or do you mentally remain an observer? ---
**Author:** ![Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maggie_the_Ocelot)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046/82 "2010-05-04T20:14:29Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > When I saw what looked like porn in the history I was amused. Curious what kind of porn my gf at the time watched, I clicked into it. > > It was a Harry/Ron fanfic. I never forgave her. Totally. Harry/Draco FTW! ---
**Author:** ![filling\_pages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9bd4f/32.png) [@filling\_pages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filling_pages)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046/83 "2010-05-04T20:16:42Z")
> [@Teacake](#): > > Sorry - in the sections I’ve bolded, are you trying to say that women can’t give each other orgasms and/or satisfy each other sexually? I think this is … not the case. I think by “no observed fulfillment” he might mean there’s no cum shot. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046/84 "2010-05-04T22:57:41Z")
> [@Raguleader](#): > > I never thought of it quite that way! > > The BBC show Coupling had a few good things to say on this topic: > > First off, there’s a scene (can’t find it on Youtube because my Googlefu sucks) where the women are discussing why men like lesbians. One of them remarks “I mean, it’s a kind of sex where they have absolutely nothing to do. I think I just answered my own question.” > > Then there is this (not work safe) theory from Jeff, the guy on the show who represents the part of us that (most) guys are pretty good at keeping away from the part of our brain that talks in public: > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi-MZOk8oD4](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi-MZOk8oD4) (NSFW, but if you were worried about that, maybe you shouldn’t be reading this thread?) Lesbians are porn-effiecent. It’s sex with a greater density of women. Porn-wise, lesbians are like a jam sandwich without the sandwich, it’s just the jam. Also, in bloke-driven porn, you run the risk of potentially dangerous eye-slippage. If, in the climatic seconds, your eye slips from the girl to the bloke, the sudden shock can cause a whiplash event. And trust me, lower whiplash is not an injury you want to have to explain while you’re being stretchered out through your mother’s coffee morning. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046/85 "2010-05-04T23:05:11Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > Lesbians are porn-effiecent. … I read somewhere that women in porn earn more than men, so in terms of money this isn’t true. OTOH, I wouldn’t pay for all-male porn, so maybe you got something here. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046/86 "2010-05-05T00:14:02Z")
> [@Oni no Maggie](#): > > You, sir, are looking at the wrong men. > > Two men who are as easy on the eyes (in the male fashion) as porn-women are easy on the eyes (in the female fashion)? > > Hellz yes. > > Remember the scene in My Own Private Idaho, with River Phoenix and Keanu Reeves kissing? That was _really_ hot. > > Question: for the guys, when you watch a two-women-only scene, do you project yourself as one of the women? Or do you mentally remain an observer? Bingo. Just as many men enjoy seeing faux lesbians go at it rather than the mousy volunteer at the local food bank and a heavyset spoken word artist, I think there’s a wider female audience for boy-on-boy action of the ‘Hey we’re hot straight guys and – oops, my tongue slipped’ variety. > [@filling\_pages](#): > > I think by “no observed fulfillment” he might mean there’s no cum shot. Dammit I wanted to hear him explain it himself (prediction: something involving ‘man’s seed’). ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046/87 "2010-05-05T00:26:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Question: for the guys, when you watch a two-women-only scene, do you project yourself as one of the women? Or do you mentally remain an observer? As I’ve already said, porn is strictly entertainment (for me anyway). I don’t “project” myself into the scene just like I don’t put myself into the place of one of the characters in a comedy or an action thriller. I’m outside watching it not vicariously participating in it. ---
**Author:** ![Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maggie_the_Ocelot)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046/88 "2010-05-05T00:31:30Z")
OK…But some guys have said that in a MFF scene they will identify with the male in the movie. So I was wondering if in a FF scene they identify with one of the women - ie, wishing they could be the one doing _this_ to the other girl, thinking about how _that_ tastes, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046/89 "2010-05-05T00:32:55Z")
> [@](#): > > I’ll add one thing (which is probably also obvious). I don’t know any guy who is interested in girl-on-girl sex with anything other than lipstick lesbians (i.e. a woman a straight man would find attractive). So the visual cues that we find appealing in one are increased exponentially by two beautiful women that we’d find sexually attractive. > > One butch lesbian turns me off completely. Two together would probably make me gag. I don’t think this is completely true. The huge popularity of “amateur” and “gonzo” porn shows that a lot of viewers are willing to sacrifice some level of perceived perfection in order to achieve a higher level of perceived authenticity. Some heterosexual male viewers would prefer watching non-lipstick lesbians having sex because they figure it looks more real. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046/90 "2010-05-05T00:34:28Z")
> [@Oni no Maggie](#): > > Question: for the guys, when you watch a two-women-only scene, do you project yourself as one of the women? Or do you mentally remain an observer? I’m always an observer. I don’t pretend to be in it. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046/91 "2010-05-05T01:00:15Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I think the cum on their face shots and the spanking stuff is pretty degrading. I can’t even remember a single scene when a woman spanked a man in porn. Google “clothed female/nude male” porn - you’ll find male degradation. Of course, this porn too is aimed at men - all kind of kinks out there. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046/92 "2010-05-05T01:26:19Z")
> [@Cyningablod](#): > > I have long wondered: Why are straight guys almost universally rendered instantly horny–mere babbling, salivating primates, ruled only by their erections–by the idea or image of two hot (read: feminine) women going at it with each other? Is there any research on this? Did Kinsey or Masters & Johnson address the question? > > I don’t think evolutionary psychology suffices to explain this phenomenon. Getting back to the OP: I think it’s got everything to do with evolutionary psychology. My SWAG is that males and females have contrasting reproductive strategies - male animals produce lots and lots of biologically inexpensive sperm cells, so the best strategy is to spread 'em around as much as you can with as many partners as you can; in human terms, you’d “hump a dawg ef it shook its ass right”. Female animals make relatively few, expensive gametes, and the optimum there is not to waste them. Be picky about who you invite into your bed (or nest, or den, or wherever you get your kink on). Pick the mate with the best chance of passing his (and your) genes on to the next generation. I’m simplifying like crazy, of course, and I am fully aware that biology is not destiny, and that sexuality is an extremely complex phenomenon that is ill-suited to sweeping generalizations. But down in the limbic underworld of the reptile brain, I suspect that the elemental attraction of girl/girl action for a man is that the two women are choosing mates that violate their best reproductive strategies. So, the lizard brain thinks, if they will violate their sexual strategies with each other, maybe they’ll violate 'em with me! Hubba hubba! Lemme go find a pizza to deliver! Okay, I know there are all kinds of weak spots in this theory, and that the intellects here at the Dope will spot and expose them. But this is my suspicion - that at the root, the attraction does have something to do with reproductive strategies. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046/93 "2010-05-05T08:55:47Z")
> [@Oni no Maggie](#): > > Question: for the guys, when you watch a two-women-only scene, do you project yourself as one of the women? Or do you mentally remain an observer? Sure. I’m thinking of romance in a story or game rather than porn, though, so I don’t know if that would still apply. ---
**Author:** ![EvilTOJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee59a6/32.png) [@EvilTOJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvilTOJ)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046/94 "2010-05-05T09:34:50Z")
I like the girl on girl porn, but I always end up muting it. I can’t stand hearing “oh yea oh yea oh yea oh yea” like a damn flock of horny lesbian seagulls. I usually watch amateur stuff because the girls haven’t learned that horrible habit yet. And I always see myself as an observer, not a participant. Gay porn doesn’t do anything for me. It’s just two dudes doin it, boooorrring. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046/95 "2010-05-05T16:41:53Z")
> [@EvilTOJ](#): > > a damn flock of horny lesbian seagulls. Cover band name! ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Knig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@Typo\_Knig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Knig)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046/96 "2010-05-07T02:33:42Z")
A friend of mine recently changed her relationship status on Facebook to “in a relationship with (obviously female name)”, and posted a new family picture - herself, her kids from her first marriage, her girl friend, and her girlfriend’s kids. The announcement was a surprise to me, but as long as she’s happy that’s fine. Being a supportive friend, I clicked the “Like” link on Facebook for my friend’s announcement. Then I went to my FB home page, where it said: > [@Typo Knig's Facebook page](#): > > Typo Knig likes NewlyOutLesbianFriend’s activity. 😕 :o Hmmm - I hadn’t thought of her that way before. 😉 FB’s privacy stinks, but the unintended humor is great! ---
**Author:** ![kimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f0a364/32.png) [@kimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kimera)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046/97 "2010-05-08T04:21:20Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > Getting back to the OP: I think it’s got everything to do with evolutionary psychology. Evolutionary psychology is pseudo-science. Your theory does nothing to explain the growing popularity of male/male porn among women (not just romance, but porn) or why women are watching more and more videos for their erotic satisfaction (but still prefer the written word in general). And, for the record, Harry’s true love will always be Severus Snape. ---
**Author:** ![tr0psn4j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@tr0psn4j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tr0psn4j)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046/98 "2010-05-08T04:36:26Z")
Would a gay guy get turned on by looking at a man having sex with a women? ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046/99 "2010-05-08T06:43:54Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > Lesbians are porn-effiecent. It’s sex with a greater density of women. Porn-wise, lesbians are like a jam sandwich without the sandwich, it’s just the jam. Also, in bloke-driven porn, you run the risk of potentially dangerous eye-slippage. If, in the climatic seconds, your eye slips from the girl to the bloke, the sudden shock can cause a whiplash event. And trust me, lower whiplash is not an injury you want to have to explain while you’re being stretchered out through your mother’s coffee morning. Wrong food simile, though. Lesbian sex is like a hot dog with two buns and no sausage. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2010, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046/100 "2010-05-09T15:17:32Z")
> [@tr0psn4j](#): > > Would a gay guy get turned on by looking at a man having sex with a women? There are _lesbians_ who watch boy-on-boy porn, almost exclusively. Wrap your head around that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-straight-guys-find-girl-on-girl-action-hot-almost-universally/538046.md?page=6)