# Why do we appreciate music or beauty? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 13, 2002, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-we-appreciate-music-or-beauty/132020 "2002-10-13T01:07:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2002, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-we-appreciate-music-or-beauty/132020/21 "2002-10-14T13:22:22Z")
I read in seveal places that seeing beauty in the opposite sex is considered to be a health or fitness judgement for being a mate. ---
**Author:** ![greck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7ab992/32.png) [@greck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/greck)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2002, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-we-appreciate-music-or-beauty/132020/22 "2002-10-14T14:25:46Z")
I think **yourblurry** said it best, art, and appreciation thereof is primarily about validation of some sort. or it’s about validation of idealized notions. Did i say that right? What i mean is that art is about validating who we are, and what we wish we could be. ---
**Author:** ![Philote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/51bf81/32.png) [@Philote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Philote)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2002, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-we-appreciate-music-or-beauty/132020/23 "2002-10-14T21:30:18Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by jovan_ > Witness the peacock, and countless other animals for whom appearance is very important when it comes to finding a mate. Good point. But does “appearance” connote beauty, or something else? In what way is appearance important? Another example might be the antlers on stags; I’d heard something about the one with the biggest set of antlers being the most desirable, or something along those lines. But is that because big antlers makes the stag seem _beautiful_, or is it because it makes him seem intimidating or powerful (or something else)? Couldn’t that go for peacocks too? More importantly, is there an example of a feature like that which couldn’t possibly demonstrate anything significant _but_ beauty? ---
**Author:** ![jovan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/0ea827/32.png) [@jovan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jovan)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2002, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-we-appreciate-music-or-beauty/132020/24 "2002-10-15T14:56:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Philote \* > \*\*Another example might be the antlers on stags; I’d heard something about the one with the biggest set of antlers being the most desirable, or something along those lines. But is that because big antlers makes the stag seem _beautiful_, or is it because it makes him seem intimidating or powerful (or something else)? Couldn’t that go for peacocks too? More importantly, is there an example of a feature like that which couldn’t possibly demonstrate anything significant _but_ beauty? \*\* Well, that’s where you run into the problem of defining beauty in scientific terms. AFAIK, the only good answer to those questions are: “we don’t know.” ---
**Author:** ![loinburger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/db5fbb/32.png) [@loinburger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/loinburger)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2002, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-we-appreciate-music-or-beauty/132020/25 "2002-10-15T20:13:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dave Stewart v3.0 \* > Now this is interesting. You are talking about skull shapes only. Faces are perhaps another matter. There is a television show on the Discovery Channel here (produced by the BBC) called The Human Face. Its hosted by John Cleese. I’ve seen a few episodes of that show, and IIRC there was also an article in Discover magazine awhile ago about the evolutionary advantages of sexual attractiveness (a large jaw in a man is a sign of a strong immune system, a proportional face is a sign that the person doesn’t have certain congenital defects, etc), so it does appear that some ideals of beauty are evolutionary advantageous. However, most (perhaps all) of these ideals can be overridden by culture – f’rinstance, waifish supermodel Kate Moss is considered beautiful in some circles (hence her career as a model), even though her narrow hips and emaciated body significantly reduce her chance of successfully carrying a child to term. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-we-appreciate-music-or-beauty/132020.md?page=1)