# Why do you like Donald Trump as President? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 12, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064 "2018-05-12T21:09:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/181 "2018-05-16T02:02:44Z")
> [@Ruined](#): > > My guess is its just a negotiating tactic. The Koreas have come further in a year than in 70 so even if North Korea just denuclearizes, its a win for the world. > > Also keep in mind that from a young age North Koreans are taught to love South Korea and hate America. They are very much interested in reunification, especially after seeing the success their neighbors have had. I’ll agree that it is a negotiating tactic by NK. Less sanctions, have a meeting, and then IMHO, NK will continue on their path as they have done before. Taught to hate America of course. Love SK? I don’t think so much. Though as information continues to leak north (and south from China) some are clearly changing their attitudes. That’s inevitable as the world shrinks. Reunification is going to be very, very difficult. I think the only way it could really happen is if SK would take their technology north. Slowly. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/182 "2018-05-16T02:07:21Z")
> [@Ruined](#): > > Cute, but I was drawing the distinction between opinion and fact. > > Just because tax reform benefited some wealthy people does not mean it was intentionally passed to benefit wealthy people. First is a fact, second is an opinion. So, its Col. Mustard, in the library, with the candlestick. But maybe it was an accident? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/183 "2018-05-16T02:45:28Z")
> [@Ruined](#): > > Your perspective on the use of words and trump’s demeanor is indicative of the issue at hand. In the same breath of calling me a number of names all of which are not true(aka harassing, bullying, and lieing) you claim that I should be more careful with the use of fags, and that your perspective of trump is not worthy of his office. Then you extend that further to reflect on his supporters, half of which do not like his tweeting and “bullying.” You’re hardly blameless on this score, yourself. In the same breath of calling people fags, you claim others should be more careful with the use of harassing, bullying, and lying. > [@Ruined](#): > > You DONT like lower taxes? Lower taxes would be great, if there weren’t other consequences that came along with lower taxes. Every projection I’ve seen is that tax revenue will go down and the deficit will go up. Someone will have to pay those bills eventually. You’re a new poster here so we don’t have a record of your thoughts on the deficit before Trump took office. Certainly a great many Republicans thought large deficits were a bad thing during Obama’s presidency, but they’ve been strangely silent since this last tax cut was passed. How do you feel about large federal deficits; big problem, no problem, or something else? I think the other items you listed are similarly not as simple as you’d like them to be. More jobs? Great. More jobs because of something Trump did? That hasn’t been demonstrated to my satisfaction. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/184 "2018-05-16T03:12:35Z")
> [@Ruined](#): > > This is a post I am happy to respond to. The other one assumed answers before they were given which was ultimately my issue. I just enjoy pointing out hypocrisy as well. I think I asked the same questions. I was just very succinct the second time. Thank you for answering. > [@](#): > > 1. I was not happy about the repeal and replace situation. However I understand that Trump was told or at least assumed the GOP had a replacement program already in mind. They didn’t and unfortunately the entire thing died. I agree with the assertion that with the removal of the individual mandate we are at possibly the worst version of health insurance possible. My biggest fear is going to socialized healthcare in an attempt to remedy the situation. I understand a lot of the complaints regarding going back to the original system as well. I would personally like to see a free market system for insurance. I believe based on what I have read and heard that it would ultimately be the most beneficial. It would reign in costs and allow for competition between insurance markets. I voted for Trump because he wanted to repeal the bastard version of the ACA that ended up being passed. I would not be the expert on the subject but he got put into position to find those experts. This may be a place where we just have different economic values and agree to disagree. I believe that countries with healthcare for all have demonstrated better outcomes in health, and lower expenses. > [@](#): > > 1. ILLEGAL immigration has resulted in billions of dollars a year of our tax moneys being used to provide for these people, on top of billions being sent outside the country. I think we could spend quite a while discussing costs and benefits. It is interesting to note that this is a position that conservatives have flipped on. In 2007, George Bush pushed for a guest worker program, because he believed that illegal immigrants did jobs that US citizens were unwilling to do. > [@](#): > > Immigrating illegally has countless dangers associated with it, especially for women, and with our extremely loose enforcement of it, we are effectively encouraging these risks. > > The amount of illegals living in absolute horrible conditions along the border should not be praised it should be fixed, and I believe stricter enforcement would help. > > Many times when illegals commit crime it is very hard to locate and/or prosecute because they have no real identification or history. They many times then go to our prisons and jails where we must provide for them. This is on top of the fact that they commit the majority of identity fraud, and while like i mentioned previously-the majority being good people, even one illegal being a violent criminal is too much. We need to define terms. When you say “identity fraud”, I am guessing that you are specifically referring to the use of fake id in order to get a job, or get a child into school, or get a driver’s license. Correct me if I am wrong. Generally speaking, identity fraud applies to identity theft more broadly, so your statement can be misinterpreted. > [@](#): > > 1. Deep state. You condescendingly assumed i was talking about some secret faceless group. I admit to snark. Generally when Trump supporters start talking about Deep State, they are using his definition. > [@](#): > > I am referring to first and foremost globalists. Second is corruption in DC. Representatives that are coming out of office much wealthier than when they went in. You dont make millions by living a fiscal lifestyle on 150k a year. > > I am talking about RINOs that do not represent their constituents. The DNC that is more interested in grandstanding and going against Trump than doing their jobs. > > The media offenders that are laughing at journalistic integrity. Their job is to find and verify the truth. Not create it when business is slow or things are going well. Report on the good things if there is nothing bad this week. > > Does this sufficiently explain my position on these things? Yes, as long as you are willing to turn that lens on Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/185 "2018-05-16T03:22:25Z")
> [@Ruined](#): > > Cute, but I was drawing the distinction between opinion and fact. > > Just because tax reform benefited some wealthy people does not mean it was intentionally passed to benefit wealthy people. First is a fact, second is an opinion. Thank you for the clarification. Would you care to answer the questions posed in posts #176 and 177 above? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/186 "2018-05-16T03:32:59Z")
> [@Ruined](#): > > **I let you just draw the line between “they pay taxes” and how they would do that without a fake identity.** Sales taxes are an example of taxes that are collected within the community and do not require any identity, generally. > [@](#): > > **He has exposed a large amount of corruption in nearly every department of government.** I would like to see some examples of this. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/187 "2018-05-16T03:47:11Z")
> [@Ruined](#): > > My guess is its just a negotiating tactic. The Koreas have come further in a year than in 70 so even if North Korea just denuclearizes, its a win for the world. Rubbish. They’ve been closer before. That was during the “Sunshine” phase. > [@](#): > > Also keep in mind that from a young age North Koreans are taught to love South Korea and hate America. Where did you pull this rubbish from? The North did not send armed personnel to the South to kill South Korean civilians because they love their Southern brothers and sisters. North Korea does not want unification on any terms other than its own. It certainly doesn’t want unification any time soon when it has had to rely on its enemies, including South Korea, for such incidentals as food for its population. > [@](#): > > They are very much interested in reunification, especially after seeing the success their neighbors have had. What are you on about? What neighbors do they have that have reunified? Let’s check a couple of contenders for regions in the neighborhood who had, to use a Chinese expression, separatist issues. [ul][li]China and Taiwan? Nope, no success there. And it’s looking to get uglier before it gets any better.[/li][li]Japan? The only division I can think of was when Okinawa was administered by the United States. That administration ended decades ago. On top of that, Okinawans still complain about how the national government treats them.[/li][li]Pakistan? Nope. There was a bloody civil war that changed East Pakistan from a province to the independent count)ry of Bangladesh.[/li][li]China and Tibet? Yeah, right. Not a lot of success there. They’re unified but it’s certainly not by Tibet’s choice.[/li][li]Malaysia and Singapore. Singapore was cut loose, disregarding the idea that all of Malaysia was perpetually one. From any standard, Singapore has been a success compared to Malaysia.[/li][li]Indonesia? Again, a bloody occupation of one area, which finally became independent.[/ul][/li] Care to try again? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/188 "2018-05-16T04:00:31Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I would like to see some examples of this. Maybe he is referring to all the corrupt people he had to fire or advised them to quit. Of course they were appointed by him, but he did expose them, eventually … 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/189 "2018-05-16T04:02:57Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Maybe he is referring to all the corrupt people he had to fire or advised them to quit. > > Of course they were appointed by him, but he did expose them, eventually … > > 🙂 He sets them up and he knocks them down? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/190 "2018-05-16T04:12:26Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > What are you on about? What neighbors do they have that have reunified? > > _snip_ > > Care to try again? Maybe he’s referring to North and South Viet Nam (for certain definitions of ‘neighbor’). Of course, there were a few minor hiccups on the way. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/191 "2018-05-16T04:52:39Z")
Welcome to the Straight Dope, **Ruined**! I am just some internet rando with a job, a mortgage, a gf, a cat. I have not inherited a large wad of money or property &etc, but I am from somewhere and have my gifts. I care about the future and the USA, maybe more than ‘elites’ because I am not exactly insulated from events. I’d like to encourage you to continue to explain and defend your ideas. Glad to see it, really. If the Trump administration can actually de-nuclearise N Korea, I will give them unqualified credit for the success for the whole world, including N Korea. But I DON’T like lower taxes, not like this. Deficits are through the roof, for no good reason, and the benefits do not seem to be flowing where they are the most needed, namely the bottom 10%. Your cheerleading for “lower taxes” //fullstop seems short-sighted at best. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/192 "2018-05-16T08:33:23Z")
> [@Ruined](#): > > This is a post I am happy to respond to. The other one assumed answers before they were given which was ultimately my issue. I just enjoy pointing out hypocrisy as well. > > 1. I was not happy about the repeal and replace situation. However I understand that Trump was told or at least assumed the GOP had a replacement program already in mind. Why should he believe them? Why should _anyone_ believe them? See, this is something about Trump you should probably get used to. He lies. [A lot](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html). Like, not just “he lies like a politician”, more like “political scientists, newscasters, neuroscientists, and other people who follow politics closely are freaked out by how much he lies”. So when he says “we’re going to have a great health care plan”, then doesn’t do anything to elucidate the details of said plan, or even really to show that he’s given it much thought at all, the immediate reaction should be doubt. Why did you believe him? Why did you believe the republicans who spent 6 years campaigning on “repeal and replace” and yet never in that time presented a coherent plan to repeal and replace that they could get behind would have a coherent plan when they had power? I mean, maybe it’s just a partisan broken clock being right twice a day, but I coulda told you that. Most people on the left could have told you that the republicans really didn’t have a plan. And many on the left could have told you _why_ - because Obamacare, fundamentally, is about as far to the right as you can get on public health care without it no longer being public health care. > [@](#): > > They didn’t and unfortunately the entire thing died. I agree with the assertion that with the removal of the individual mandate we are at possibly the worst version of health insurance possible. My biggest fear is going to socialized healthcare in an attempt to remedy the situation. Why? This honestly puzzles me. I live in Germany right now. We have socialized healthcare. And that’s part of why I really can’t imagine moving back to my home country. It’s something I personally value immensely. I pay a bit more on my taxes every month, but in return, I get world-class health care. And more importantly, I get to live with the knowledge that if I get in a car accident, or catch some disease that requires time in the ICU, or get a back injury that needs physical therapy, I won’t end up bankrupt or unable to pay for my medical care. I spent the last 5 months on antidepressants - looking at what Lexapro costs in the US, I would have been unable to afford my meds, and those few hundred bucks per month probably saved my life - I was borderline suicidal for a while in January. (Moving away from anecdotes and personal experience, attempts to quantify the quality and cost of care in various health care systems generally end up with the USA [ranking pretty low in both cost and quality](http://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf). I mean, 37th isn’t the bottom half, but it’s still not great - and socialized systems like those in the UK, Canada, Germany, Denmark, Netherlands, Finland, Sweden, Norway, and my current country of residence, Germany all rank higher.) > [@](#): > > I would personally like to see a free market system for insurance. I believe based on what I have read and heard that it would ultimately be the most beneficial. It would reign in costs and allow for competition between insurance markets. Do you have any examples of a free market medical system working well in the last 20 years? I can’t think of any off the top of my head, and I can think of a whole lot of reasons why a free market system is actually really bad for medicine - things like inelastic demand and [really terrible incentives](http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/goldman-sachs-says-curing-diseases-may-not-be-economically-valid/). > [@Ruined](#): > > Understanding trump supporters is the same as understanding anyone that disagrees with you. The first part of this statement is a good example. Those are not “facts” they are your conclusions based on facts. That is what we call opinions. People have drawn different conclusions from similar facts. I seriously take issue with this. We have to draw conclusions based on facts all the time. But not all conclusions are made equally. For example, you can see people talking about “climate change” and “global warming” and conclude “it’s a hoax, they changed the definition”. This would be a conclusion based on facts - as you put it, an “opinion”. And yet, it turns out that scientists have been talking about “climate change” [since at least 1955](https://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-change-global-warming.htm). Oh, and what they call it has exactly zero bearing on the scientific data that we have - I could bring out a paper tomorrow titled: “Anthropogenic temperature variance” detailing how the earth’s temperature has changed over time due to human effects, and the fact that I’m calling it something different does nothing to change whether or not the science contained therein is valid. So your conclusion is probably invalid - it’s based on incomplete facts and bad logic. And you can’t just excuse that by saying “we have different conclusions” - someone’s wrong. It might be me! But if we can’t reach the same conclusions given the same facts, the conversation is going to break down. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/193 "2018-05-16T09:50:09Z")
(Also, **Ruined** , welcome to the 'Dope! In case it wasn’t clear from the above post, I respect the amount of thought you’ve clearly put into your positions, even if I disagree with you, and I think you do an excellent job really getting into the nitty-gritty of answering the OP, beyond either strawmanning the conservative position or being an actual straw man. I think you’ll find that the BBQ pit is among the worst places to have this kind of conversation on this board.) ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/194 "2018-05-16T15:09:36Z")
> [@Ruined](#): > > The IRS came out as corrupt under Obama. > The FBI came out as corrupt under Obama. > The DoJ came out as corrupt under Obama. Can you provide any proof of these assertions beyond Trumpian claims? > [@](#): > > The trade restrictions that have brought North Korea to the table. No, they’re just playing Trump with the same games. Throw out a “breakthrough”, offer talks, demand concessions and money behind the scenes, then cancel everything at the last minute. Trump bit hard on the same damned hook. > [@](#): > > The restrictions that have gotten bad trade deals with china renegotiated. Sure, let me know when that happens. > [@](#): > > He is close to disbanding the EPA because they are a joke. Proof? My proof is to ask you to google the NYC skyline from the 70’s and compare it to today’s. To consider how much less lead and mercury there is in our environment today and how much less is being added to it due to environmental laws. Your assertion is crap and ignorance based. > [@](#): > > He has nonstop been exposing corruption and crime within our country. His own and his party’s. Just keep making assertions that aren’t supported by facts and you are not capable of adequately defending. This is part of the definition of “Troll”. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/195 "2018-05-16T15:11:15Z")
Geez, next you’ll throw out the Roseanne claims that he’s been secretly busting up gangs of pedophiles but no one knows about it and the media won’t report it. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Brayne\_Ded](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Brayne\_Ded](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brayne_Ded)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/196 "2018-05-16T15:25:01Z")
> [@harmonicamoon](#): > > Thanks to Trump, we will have a nuke free North Korea. North Korea and South Korea will become one country. He turned an enemy into an ally! I love the irony. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/197 "2018-05-16T15:42:57Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Proof? My proof is to ask you to google the NYC skyline from the 70’s and compare it to today’s. To consider how much less lead and mercury there is in our environment today and how much less is being added to it due to environmental laws. Your assertion is crap and ignorance based. Yeah, Ruins claim that the EPA is a joke was pretty much the topper for me. Well amongst a whole bunch of other bullshit. [1970’s Denver](https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=1970%27s+denver+brown+cloud&fr=yfp-t&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imagescolorado.com%2Fimg%2Fs11%2Fv31%2Fp1042357074-3.jpg#id=0&iurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imagescolorado.com%2Fimg%2Fs11%2Fv31%2Fp1042357074-3.jpg&action=click). I remember the brown cloud well. Remember is the key word here. Doesn’t happen anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/198 "2018-05-16T15:47:42Z")
> [@Ruined](#): > > He had the entire media(yes including fox and fags) against him … > [@Ruined](#): > > I don’t care what you think about my use of a word fags. [Moderating] It would be a really good idea to care what _I_ think about your use of the word, because if you do it again, you’re going to be banned from this board. Understood? [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/199 "2018-05-16T15:56:55Z")
He won’t be back. He won’t be back because to come back means he has to do one of two things. 1. He brings facts to support all the “facts” he pulled out of his ass. Not really possible. 2. He comes back and continues to pull “facts” out of his ass and ignore requests for cites, until finally it’s obvious to everyone that he’s trolling. And a final possibility; 3. He again pisses off the mellowest of all moderators by being a bigoted prick. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/200 "2018-05-16T16:00:29Z")
> [@Ruined](#): > > [/B I will just say that even if it is a net zero, 1st and 2nd generation immigrants commit over 27% of violent crime … > \*\* Wait, I thought we were talking about illegal immigrants, now you are talking about immigrants in general. So your problem with them wasn’t that they came her illegally its that they aren’t “like us”. Also your statement that 27% of crimes are committed by first or second generation immigrants seems shocking until you realize that [25.8% of Americans](http://www.pewhispanic.org/chart/first-and-second-generation-share-of-the-population-1900-2015/) are first or second generation Immigrants. So really its about what you would expect. Didn’t they teach you in elementary school that we are a nation of immigrants? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064.md?page=11)