# Why do you like Donald Trump as President? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 12, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064 "2018-05-12T21:09:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![postpic200](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@postpic200](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/postpic200)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/241 "2018-05-16T20:00:15Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Considering how “your side” has Congress and the President, you’d think if they really supported this, the laws would have been passed already. But I haven’t seen any. Have you? BTW the law is 8 U.S. Code § 1324a - Unlawful employment of aliens ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/242 "2018-05-16T20:00:44Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > Coal mining is up, job number are up. More people are now working then when he took over. So it’s looking good to the average Joe. NATFA is up for renegotiation > > Now I’m not silly enough to give Trump all the credit, nor did I give Obama all the blame, but Trump is and Obama was the face of America and they get the credit and blame even when it not their fault. Shit you must have been ecstatic at the end of Obama’s two terms then. When you compare the economy, jobs, prestige, military deaths, etc., they were ALL better than at the start of his 2 terms. You should have been crying because you couldn’t vote for Obama a third time. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/243 "2018-05-16T20:01:20Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > Knowing I’m probably going to get flamed, I’ll answer > > North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) really hurt the middle of the country. Yes any realignment of trade will hurt someone, but it was felt most by those states with heavy emphasis on manufacturing industries like Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana, and California. They all had major job losses. It’s doesn’t take an accountant to figure out that paying $15 or less is better than $25 or more, even when you factor in the cost of moving the factor. That along with the promised about increased jobs and exports didn’t really appear to those who lost their jobs. And yes I know companies are still leaving even under Trump. (BTW in my posts I don’t say President anyone, since I didn’t use it for any past presidents I won’t use it for Trump as when I refer to The President I mean the office not the person) > > The left’s stand on gun control. In the middle of the country that’s a big deal. And I along with many other see it as the elite left trying to make laws without understanding in many cases what a gun can and can’t do. I won’t go into all the misinformed “facts” that the left has spouted, but it’s safe to say many times they have NO idea what they are talking about. That whole “assault” weapon is a prime example. the AR-15 works just like most semi-automatic and it’s basically an 22 with a lot more powder, but the left makes it seem like these guns are the most evil thing ever unleashed. When you look at the facts and the small number of death per year caused by long guns (the AR-15 is a long gun) many, including me, see it as the first step in an all and out gun ban. > > Immigration, the fact they are talking about letting people who have broken the law, and in many cases many laws, stay in the country and maybe becoming citizens, while at the same time punishing people who try and follow the law seems unfair. Is it sad that someone was brought into the US illegally when they were young and who is now looking at being deported? Sure, but they only have to look to the people who brought them here illegally or who overstayed their VISA. For anyone who not a citizen to DEMAND we let them stay, who DEMAND they should be become citizen, is to many like a crook demanding they shouldn’t have to follow the law. Remember we were told in the 1980’s that if we gave a ONE time amnesty that our immigration laws would be strictly enforced. And for the record I know people who have lost jobs to illegal aliens. > > MAGA, yes many people think that the congress and the president should be putting America first. Deals should be made in the best interest of the US not kissing up to Mexico, EU, or any other country. > > In a nut shell many felt the country was going in the wrong direction, then add in the whole Hillary thing, and you have many of the reasons people voted for Trump. That whole e-mail scandal. What many people saw as an elite left getting away with breaking the law, basically one law for “them”, you know the good people, and another law for everyone else. Same with her stand on sexual assault, you know “To every survivor of sexual assault…You have the right to be heard. You have the right to be believed. We’re with you.” Unless you’re talking about Bill. You’ll note she took that down from her web site during the election, after Broaddrick tweeted about her rape. > > So a lot of people voted for Trump, partly because he was an outsider, partly because he wasn’t Hillary, partly because he spoke his mind and didn’t seem to care about the fallout, and partly because they felt the country was going the wrong direction. I’m curious what you think when Trump tweets something 180 degrees opposite of something he tweeted three years ago. Or when he talks in circles or gives himself credit for every good thing happening in the country or says something so outlandishly inaccurate that no one, friend or foe, can deny just how wrong it was. Is that not important to you as long as he’s pursuing the policy goals you want him to pursue? Because it’s something I can’t understand or tolerate in the nation’s highest position. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/244 "2018-05-16T20:03:53Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > Coal mining is up [You sure](https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-02-02/the-great-coal-mining-jobs-boom-has-been-postponed) [about that](https://www.npr.org/2018/05/09/607273500/in-the-coal-counties-of-central-appalachia-will-trump-s-promises-come-true)? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/245 "2018-05-16T20:04:31Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > OK, well regulated meant in good working order No, it quite clearly does not mean that their guns were in working order. It means the militia was regulated and organized. The rest of that devolves into propaganda. “No right as heavily restricted as the second”? Pure bullshit. NRA lies and martyrdom. Don’t try to lie to me and tell me that Joe Schmuck in 1800’s podunkville could own his own cannon without being arrested or it being seized by the state. > [@](#): > > Given that what make you or anyone else think the crooks are going to follow any law? Slippery slope argument. Since criminals aren’t going to follow laws, we shouldn’t have any, right? I mean, if that’s your argument for gun laws, then that equally applies to every single law we have, right? Or only in this case? Alternately, every single person who has speeded ever is a criminal and speed limit laws should all be struck down because no one obeys them 100%, right? > [@](#): > > “Then as I will say to the end of time, the way to solve this problem is to treat the people who hire them as criminals and prosecute them.” > > “My side” has said that repeatedly. Citation please? I have not EVER seen this as a proposal from any politician on any side. Have you spoken to your congress-critter about this? What is his or her answer, assuming you even got one? And no, I’m not talking about easily paid or re-negotiated fines paid for by the company. I’m talking actual JAIL TIME for people who break this law. Run that by your congressman and see how quickly his/her head swivels and they laugh at you. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/246 "2018-05-16T20:05:58Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I’ve never seen a stronger warning from that mod than the one you received for blatant bigotry in your previous posts. Either you’re a bigot, or you choose to act like a bigot with your post. One way you’re a jerk, the other you’re a troll. Either way, you’re not going to make it. But his black and gay friends TOLD him he could say it! So he can’t possibly be a bigot! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/247 "2018-05-16T20:07:13Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > Coal mining is up, job number are up. More people are now working then when he took over. So it’s looking good to the average Joe. NATFA is up for renegotiation > > Now I’m not silly enough to give Trump all the credit, nor did I give Obama all the blame, but Trump is and Obama was the face of America and they get the credit and blame even when it not their fault. I shared this link earlier on the [current state of coal mining jobs](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-coal-jobs/exclusive-trumps-coal-job-push-stumbles-in-most-states-data-idUSKBN1F81AK). What are your thoughts? I’m glad you have a reasonably balanced view vis-a-vis credit and blame. We don’t yet know the full impact that Trump’s policies will have on the country. But I don’t share your optimistic view of things looking good for the average Joe. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/248 "2018-05-16T20:10:09Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > Putting America first means getting the best deal we can for America. Do you think China, Mexico, etc are sitting back going, you know it’s a bad deal for us, but we’ll agree anyway? China is looking out for surprise China, Mexico is looking out for Mexico. Many people have seen the government taking bad deals, NAFTA is an example, we gave away a lot, and hurt a lot of Americans in the process. Mexico got a far better deal then we did. Free trade is a good idea, but as the EU has found out, the economies of the members countries have to be similar. If you have one country with much lower wages you have business moving to said country. And if you have open boarder you have people flooding the richer country. > > Now as long as we don’t force countries to do business with us ie military force, if they don’t like the deal then they don’t buy our goods or sell us their goods. If we need or want their good then we’d need to make a deal. And we should get the best deal we can. There is a difference between having a deal that is good for us, as well as for them, and a deal that is only good for us. Nafta was the former. It was good for the United States. That it was “better” for mexico shouldn’t bother us. The reason that it was better for them was because they were starting from a lower point, and so small improvements in their trade made big improvements in their quality of life. That a deal has to be bad for the other party in order for it to be good for one is zero-sum thinking. We live in a positive sum world, where generally, the better a deal is for the other party, the better it is for you as well. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/249 "2018-05-16T20:15:05Z")
And seriously? Fuck Coal. It’s the dirtiest source of energy around. We should not be trying to save it. Every damned lake in my state has Mercury warnings for fish consumption. You know where that came from? Burning coal. Not just here, but everywhere. And that’s just the lakes, the same is true of all of the land as well. Not to mention other heavy metals and combustion residues. Then there’s the mountains of coal ash, which are also toxic and harmful, as well as all of the energy burned hauling both coal and ash around. This nation is full of ghost towns that boomed and then died. No one promised those people they would save their towns and guarantee them jobs to stay there. ---
**Author:** ![postpic200](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@postpic200](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/postpic200)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/250 "2018-05-16T20:17:17Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Shit you must have been ecstatic at the end of Obama’s two terms then. When you compare the economy, jobs, prestige, military deaths, etc., they were ALL better than at the start of his 2 terms. You should have been crying because you couldn’t vote for Obama a third time. Well, first oft I don’t think there shouldn’t be a term limit on the president. Second I didn’t like Obama’s policies in general. Just like there are policies of Trump’s I don’t like there were policies of Obama’s that I liked. I’m not 100% ra ra Trump nor did I 100% hate Obama. The reason I don’t give the president 100% the blame or credit is the president’s power is limited. For example the president can’t spend one dime, that’s congress’s job, but the president gets the blame for the deficit. To give credit or blame for the budget to the president is dumb as there is nothing the president can do. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/251 "2018-05-16T20:20:26Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > Well, first oft I don’t think there shouldn’t be a term limit on the president. Second I didn’t like Obama’s policies in general. Just like there are policies of Trump’s I don’t like there were policies of Obama’s that I liked. I’m not 100% ra ra Trump nor did I 100% hate Obama. The reason I don’t give the president 100% the blame or credit is the president’s power is limited. For example the president can’t spend one dime, that’s congress’s job, but the president gets the blame for the deficit. To give credit or blame for the budget to the president is dumb as there is nothing the president can do. What are some of the policies of President Trump that you don’t like? It seems to me that Obama’s policies were responsible for the stock market increase and the decrease in unemployment during his two terms. Which policies, specifically, didn’t you like (besides ACA)? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/252 "2018-05-16T20:21:28Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > And seriously? Fuck Coal. It’s the dirtiest source of energy around. We should not be trying to save it. > > Every damned lake in my state has Mercury warnings for fish consumption. You know where that came from? Burning coal. Not just here, but everywhere. And that’s just the lakes, the same is true of all of the land as well. Not to mention other heavy metals and combustion residues. > > Then there’s the mountains of coal ash, which are also toxic and harmful, as well as all of the energy burned hauling both coal and ash around. > > This nation is full of ghost towns that boomed and then died. No one promised those people they would save their towns and guarantee them jobs to stay there. Hillary said the same sort of thing and they went apeshit in WV. Bottom line is that you’re right. Fortunately there are some states enforcing stricter standards than the feds. But then, any potus who makes the EPA take down their web information on global warming isn’t part of the solution. ---
**Author:** ![postpic200](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@postpic200](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/postpic200)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/253 "2018-05-16T20:24:18Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > And seriously? Fuck Coal. It’s the dirtiest source of energy around. We should not be trying to save it. > > Every damned lake in my state has Mercury warnings for fish consumption. You know where that came from? Burning coal. Not just here, but everywhere. And that’s just the lakes, the same is true of all of the land as well. Not to mention other heavy metals and combustion residues. > > Then there’s the mountains of coal ash, which are also toxic and harmful, as well as all of the energy burned hauling both coal and ash around. > > This nation is full of ghost towns that boomed and then died. No one promised those people they would save their towns and guarantee them jobs to stay there. Have you ever been really out of work with NO prospects, with children to feed, needing money to buy gas, pay bills etc. I have. So jobs are important and coal jobs mean work, mean people can feed their kid, pay their bill, and NOT take handout from the government. Also given that coal provides about 30% of the electricity in the US, and given many on the left are against dams, nuclear, just how are you going to make up that 30%. Unless of course you like sitting in the dark. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/254 "2018-05-16T20:27:16Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > Have you ever been really out of work with NO prospects, with children to feed, needing money to buy gas, pay bills etc. I have. So jobs are important and coal jobs mean work, mean people can feed their kid, pay their bill, and NOT take handout from the government. Also given that coal provides about 30% of the electricity in the US, and given many on the left are against dams, nuclear, just how are you going to make up that 30%. Unless of course you like sitting in the dark. Is it better to be alive and unemployed or [dead because your employer decided you’re “expendable”](https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/2017/07/21/kingston-coal-ash-spill-workers-treated-expendables-lawsuit-sick-and-dying-contends/451537001/)? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/255 "2018-05-16T20:32:14Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > Have you ever been really out of work with NO prospects, with children to feed, needing money to buy gas, pay bills etc. I have. So jobs are important and coal jobs mean work, mean people can feed their kid, pay their bill, and NOT take handout from the government. Also given that coal provides about 30% of the electricity in the US, and given many on the left are against dams, nuclear, just how are you going to make up that 30%. Unless of course you like sitting in the dark. Sure, coal jobs mean work. So do a lot of other jobs. What’s your fascination with “coal” jobs? Why aren’t you worried about “natural gas” jobs. Or “wind/solar power” jobs? Or hell, jobs that involve crab picking and businesses who are losing money because new visa rules mean they can’t hire anybody? Why coal? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/256 "2018-05-16T20:34:15Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > Have you ever been really out of work with NO prospects, with children to feed, needing money to buy gas, pay bills etc. I have. So jobs are important and coal jobs mean work, mean people can feed their kid, pay their bill, and NOT take handout from the government. Also given that coal provides about 30% of the electricity in the US, and given many on the left are against dams, nuclear, just how are you going to make up that 30%. Unless of course you like sitting in the dark. Look at it like this. It’s far better for the world we’re leaving our children if we reduce or eliminate coal. Those who lose their jobs because of this deserve help. That help isn’t welfare, that’s an investment in a clean future. Solar and wind generation are excellent options for some places and will require trained workers. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/257 "2018-05-16T20:35:43Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > Have you ever been really out of work with NO prospects, with children to feed, needing money to buy gas, pay bills etc. I have. So jobs are important and coal jobs mean work, mean people can feed their kid, pay their bill, and NOT take handout from the government. Also given that coal provides about 30% of the electricity in the US, and given many on the left are against dams, nuclear, just how are you going to make up that 30%. Unless of course you like sitting in the dark. I have been poor, I’ve gone through bankruptcy. I’ve had this same discussion with other people on this board who just whined about how hard it is to leave family and go seek work. Yet this is what people have done since time immemorial. Chances are almost 100% that multiple ancestors of anyone in this country came here in poverty seeking work. (Offer void for Native Americans.) And hand-outs from the government are not as shameful as years of right wing propaganda have made it. It’s both ironic and stupid how many of the people crying this got some form of government aid earlier in their lives and now pretend that never happened and no one else should get any help either. [Here’s the chart of US energy production by source.](http://www.energyjustice.net/files/energysources/allline.png) Coal has dropped significantly in the last 15 years as oil and gas became cheaper. Fracking has made gas significantly cheaper and so very few new coal plants are being built. That’s the Free Market at work. As we go along, other sources (solar, wind) are growing in significance. Renewable energy sources now provide 31% of Germany’s energy, but only about 8-10% of ours. That will change over time, but no, it isn’t going to replace everything. Like I said, Coal is the dirtiest energy source around, and we should not continue to rely on it as a major source of energy, because the pollution just keeps piling up. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/258 "2018-05-16T20:47:35Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > Have you ever been really out of work with NO prospects, with children to feed, needing money to buy gas, pay bills etc. I have. So jobs are important and coal jobs mean work, mean people can feed their kid, pay their bill, and NOT take handout from the government. Also given that coal provides about 30% of the electricity in the US, and given many on the left are against dams, nuclear, just how are you going to make up that 30%. Unless of course you like sitting in the dark. Is it your impression that only poor conservative people from coal country experience financial hardships? You think people on the left are somehow immune or suffer less due to economic challenges? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/259 "2018-05-16T20:50:42Z")
That’s one thing that really bothers the heck out of me. “Those poor coal miners deserve our help. We owe it to them to give them jobs.” and “Those poor minority people should get off their asses and find work. No one owes them a job!” Out of the same mouths. ---
**Author:** ![postpic200](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@postpic200](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/postpic200)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/260 "2018-05-16T20:56:39Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > What are some of the policies of President Trump that you don’t like? > > It seems to me that Obama’s policies were responsible for the stock market increase and the decrease in unemployment during his two terms. Which policies, specifically, didn’t you like (besides ACA)? I’ll give you two. One, the wall. Yes I hate the wall, there are better and cheaper ways to deal with illegal aliens. And how he handled the ACA, given there wasn’t a fix already in place. There were already much better proposal to fix our healthcare system, even when Obama was president. Really, if you allowed Heath Care Groups of say at least 50,000 and no more than 130,00 people in a group with a standard policy. You could join a group from any state. That would go a long way to fixing our health care system. ACA came close but, missed the boat. Now I wouldn’t make you buy insurance if you didn’t want too, but I would also allow hospital refuse to treat you if don’t have insurance. And preexisting condition wouldn’t be covered for 10 if you waited until you were sick to get insurance. Yes, we’d help the poor pay for insurance, capping them at some % of income. I would also toss in medicare into that pool so everyone would have the same insurance, again lowing the cost. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064.md?page=14)