# Why do you like Donald Trump as President? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 12, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064 "2018-05-12T21:09:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/361 "2018-05-17T18:00:01Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Since his first day in office, Trump is on record as having lied over 3000 times. We’re not even talking about the things he lied about during his campaign or the crap he’s known to have said and done throughout his life before entering politics. Do you stand by your statement that Hillary’s poor judgement regarding the email server is worse than anything Trump did leading up to the election, and, do you continue to stand by your statement that Hillary’s behavior post election (book, etc.) is worse than the daily lies and various other statements made by Trump since entering office? > > And if you do, please explain why you prefer a pathological daily liar, Trump, to an occasional liar, Hillary? Danger, danger. Hillary lost. Trump won. Calls back to Hillary are ridiculous attempts to divert any honest discussion. Next we’ll be discussing pizza-gate. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/362 "2018-05-17T18:19:44Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > Again I don’t agree with everything Trump does. Why do people think that just because you voted for someone you have to agree with EVERYTHING they do. I don’t agree with the fence, I don’t agree with excessive governmental spending, etc. > > Had the Democrats came out and said, “We will help pass a balance budget amendment, give power back to the states and local government.” They would have gotten my vote. > > I believe that the closer the government is to the people the better people are governed, the needs and wants of my town are vastly different than the needs and wants of say Seattle. I want the local school board making the decision, not someone in DC. > > Yes, we need some federal control over some things, but how much control is the question. Basically I feel the federal government has overstepped its bound and infringed on state rights. Oh, dear. I fear that you won’t be helping us implement a sensible cost-saving single payer health care system in the future, will you? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/363 "2018-05-17T18:27:52Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Danger, danger. Hillary lost. Trump won. Calls back to Hillary are ridiculous attempts to divert any honest discussion. Next we’ll be discussing pizza-gate. Trump voters continue to insist that Trump was the least bad candidate. I’d love to hear the justification for that judgement call. What criteria are they using that leads them to draw the conclusion that they are better off with Trump vs. HRC? I’m hoping the coal thing has been sufficiently addressed for **postpic200**. I concede that HRC used bad judgement with respect to the email server and deserved to catch heat over that. So now, I’m hoping we address the rest of Trump’s glaring character flaws and qualification gaps and see why they don’t rise to the level of concern that HRC’s shortcomings do. Perhaps **postpic200** will oblige to explain where other Trump supporters have not. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/364 "2018-05-17T18:34:10Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Trump voters continue to insist that Trump was the least bad candidate. I’d love to hear the justification for that judgement call. What criteria are they using that leads them to draw the conclusion that they are better off with Trump vs. HRC? Trump has a penis, HRC has a vagina. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/365 "2018-05-17T19:03:37Z")
They both have vagina, she owns, he rents. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/366 "2018-05-17T19:16:42Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Trump voters continue to insist that Trump was the least bad candidate. I’d love to hear the justification for that judgement call. What criteria are they using that leads them to draw the conclusion that they are better off with Trump vs. HRC? > > I’m hoping the coal thing has been sufficiently addressed for **postpic200**. I concede that HRC used bad judgement with respect to the email server and deserved to catch heat over that. So now, I’m hoping we address the rest of Trump’s glaring character flaws and qualification gaps and see why they don’t rise to the level of concern that HRC’s shortcomings do. Perhaps **postpic200** will oblige to explain where other Trump supporters have not. One man’s character flaws are another man’s traits to be admired. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/367 "2018-05-17T19:29:20Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > Nope but I do hear the ads for all the FREE MONEY the government is giving away, call today to get your check. I’ve gotten a few robo calls telling me I “won” a government grant, my record for keeping them on the line is 45 min. You know for people who are trying to give me money they are really rude. 😃 Did they call you on your obamaphone? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/368 "2018-05-17T19:58:31Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > At some point the bill will come due, yea we could devalue or currency but that would have it own set of problems. How about we balance the budget and pay our bills. We might not become Greece or Venezuela, but I’d rather have people owning me money rather than the other way around. > [@postpic200](#): > > Yes, I do stand by my decision now. Having seen what a Clinton white house looked like and watching her dance around the issues of her e-mail problems reminded me of it “It depends upon what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.” Even now she’s blaming everyone else for her losing the election. In fact given her track record and her statements I think I picked the least incompetent/ morally corrupt candidate that was up for election that had a chance to win. > > I voted for the person who I felt was going to screw me less. If you want a balanced budget, I’d think Bill Clinton is exactly the template you’d be looking for. The budget was balanced under his administration, and no amendment was required to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/369 "2018-05-17T20:00:45Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Why is this a problem? After refining and reprocessing, the amount of intensely radioactive waste is miniscule compared to the other pollution we generate. Cast it into glass bricks and stack them out in the middle of White Sands Proving Ground. Put a fence around them with a sign that says “If you pass this fence you will die.” Then leave them there. Who knows, we might need that waste in the future to power our spaceships. The Romans thought oil was waste when it seeped into their water wells. Never throw anything away that there could be a conceivable need for in the future. It is a problem because we are left with what might as well be eternal nuclear waste. It doesn’t compare well with “normal” waste because it is not the same kind of material. I have read that around Chernobyl, dead things don’t decay because the bacteria that would break it down can’t survive the radiation. Is that claim true? I dunno. Would escaped nuclear waste create another Chernobyl? Dunno, don’t want to find out. Nuclear waste = Bad. NIMBY! Your flip answer is as irresponsible as mine is alarmist. I would never trust you to make decisions on this matter. OTOH, if the other poster’s claim is true that new reactor designs burn off the actinides such that the remaining waste is only a threat for a few hundred years, I might be able to live with that. I will revisit the whole thing when that claim is verified and these advanced reactors are available. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/370 "2018-05-17T20:07:11Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > If you want a balanced budget, I’d think Bill Clinton is exactly the template you’d be looking for. The budget was balanced under his administration, and no amendment was required to do it. As I recall, that tragic error was corrected with a nice top-down tax cut. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/371 "2018-05-17T20:26:05Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > It is a problem because we are left with what might as well be eternal nuclear waste. It doesn’t compare well with “normal” waste because it is not the same kind of material. I have read that around Chernobyl, dead things don’t decay because the bacteria that would break it down can’t survive the radiation. Is that claim true? I dunno. Would escaped nuclear waste create another Chernobyl? Dunno, don’t want to find out. Nuclear waste = Bad. NIMBY! Actually, chernobyl is even odder than that. There are types of [fungi that exist only there](http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/05/30/black-fungus-found-in-chernobyl-eats-harmful-radiation.html), and are thriving on the radiation. I’m _not_ saying that’s better. At least there aren’t any radioactive lizards, yet. But the idea of vitrification is that it is incredibly stable. Pretty much as long as you don’t grind it down into dust, it’s not going to cause any environmental issues, nor be a danger to anyone that is standing more than a few dozen feet from it. > [@](#): > > Your flip answer is as irresponsible as mine is alarmist. I would never trust you to make decisions on this matter. OTOH, if the other poster’s claim is true that new reactor designs burn off the actinides such that the remaining waste is only a threat for a few hundred years, I might be able to live with that. I will revisit the whole thing when that claim is verified and these advanced reactors are available. The “leaving them in the middle of the desert” part was a bit flip, sure, but the rest was pretty decent analysis of the situation. If they are vitrified into glass, they really are pretty stable. I would find somewhere more out of the way to store them, but other than that, yeah, just leave them as glass bricks. As far as using them in the future, the current reactors only use a few percent of the available fuel before the rods take enough damage that they have to be replaced, and current reprocessing methods are not quite up to separating out the actinides. In many forward looking nuclear communities, spent nuclear fuel isn’t considered waste, it’s considered fuel for the next generation reactors. As far as my “claim”, it’s not _my_ claim, it is the claim of others in the field, mostly to do with molten salt reactor concepts, which haven’t gotten very far off the page yet. We did build a couple prototypes back in the 60’s, but the project was cancelled to free up more funds for the ill fated fast breeder reactor concepts. But, given the claims of those who would like to see these built, the waste stream can be made pretty much entirely free of the actinides (as well as be available to retrieve a number of useful isotopes for medical and other sciences). It is those actinides, the stuff that uranium transmutes into when it absorbs a neutron and doesn’t fission, that have the long half lives. OTOH, it is also that stuff that is more valuable in the reactor, as it is fuel. The other stuff, mostly the fission products caesium-137 and strontium-90, have a half life of around 30 years. 10 half lives, and it is “gone”, as in, no longer in any way detectable over natural background radiation, and maybe even less radioactive than that. And I realize that this is a pit thread about trump, so I will say the one thing that I have heard positive about trump related to that, and that is that there are those in the nuclear community who feel that the new regulatory regime may make it easier to build and test new reactor designs. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/372 "2018-05-17T20:30:47Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Your flip answer is as irresponsible as mine is alarmist. I would never trust you to make decisions on this matter. OTOH, if the other poster’s claim is true that new reactor designs burn off the actinides such that the remaining waste is only a threat for a few hundred years, I might be able to live with that. I will revisit the whole thing when that claim is verified and these advanced reactors are available. It’s a good start. We still need a place to put it for those few hundred years. > [@eschereal](#): > > As I recall, that tragic error was corrected with a nice top-down tax cut. Yes. And don’t forget the prescription drug benefit for seniors, passed without even an attempt to pay for it. Oh, and a couple wars. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/373 "2018-05-17T21:08:32Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I’m ever curious about Trump supporters and whether they use the same unit/scale/ratio of measurement when it comes to comparing the bad things done by HRC vs. those done by Trump. From another thread: > [@Stupid Republican idea of the day](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/37709): > > It is hard getting through to people who believe that climate change is a hoax, but Pizzagate is real. … ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/374 "2018-05-17T21:09:12Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I’d rather hear about the subtext on your clinton quote. I’d like to hear why postpic thinks Hillary is Bill. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/375 "2018-05-17T21:31:06Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > Had the Democrats came out and said, “We will help pass a balance budget amendment, give power back to the states and local government.” They would have gotten my vote. A balanced budget amendment is bad economic policy. In times of recession or depression, cutting taxes and increased spending is appropriate, even if it increases the deficit. Without that in the toolbox, the free market will go into a death spiral that could take decades to come out of. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/376 "2018-05-17T21:33:17Z")
True that. And ‘power back to the states’ all too often is coded racism. ‘Let us pass our own discriminatory laws without interference from the damned courts!’ ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/377 "2018-05-17T21:50:24Z")
Yeah, how many non-white folks work in coal mines these days? Before getting coated in coal dust, that is. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/378 "2018-05-17T21:58:25Z")
Black (lung) Is Beautiful! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/379 "2018-05-17T22:07:56Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Black (lung) Is Beautiful! Once you go Black (lung)… ---
**Author:** ![postpic200](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@postpic200](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/postpic200)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/380 "2018-05-17T22:23:38Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Since his first day in office, Trump is on record as having lied over 3000 times. We’re not even talking about the things he lied about during his campaign or the crap he’s known to have said and done throughout his life before entering politics. Do you stand by your statement that Hillary’s poor judgement regarding the email server is worse than anything Trump did leading up to the election, and, do you continue to stand by your statement that Hillary’s behavior post election (book, etc.) is worse than the daily lies and various other statements made by Trump since entering office? > > And if you do, please explain why you prefer a pathological daily liar, Trump, to an occasional liar, Hillary? Let’s see 110 emails containing information that was classified at the time it was sent, including 65 emails deemed “Secret” and 22 deemed “Top Secret”. Given her extensive time in government she should have known that unmarked classified information should be treated the same as marked classified information. "Now all in all the deleted emails Clinton’s staff received a subpoena for Benghazi-related emails March 4. An employee managing her server deleted 33,000 of Clinton’s emails three weeks later. The FBI found no evidence that the emails were deleted deliberately to avoid the subpoena or other requests. Clinton’s team requested for the emails to be deleted months before the subpoena came. They also argued that all the emails that would be relevant to the subpoena had already been turned over to the State Department." But here’s the rub, we will NEVER know what was or wasn’t deleted, we only have her word that the emails were personal or not. We don’t know what if any classified information accessed, but given that if they had been anybody else they’d be in jail. And that whole women need to be believed ““To every survivor of sexual assault…You have the right to be heard. You have the right to be believed. We’re with you.” —Hillary” unless it’s about Bill, and the “Vast right-wing conspiracy” and on and on. Sorry Hillary had way too much baggage for me to ever vote for her. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064.md?page=20)