# Why do you like Donald Trump as President? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 12, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064 "2018-05-12T21:09:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/481 "2018-05-20T16:02:30Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > Ok, the number of illegal aliens in the US according to the DHS, it estimates that 12.1 million unauthorized immigrants were living in the United States in January 2014 > > [Estimates of the Unauthorized Immigrant Population Residing in the United States | Homeland Security](https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/population-estimates/unauthorized-resident) > > now according to Pew research there are 8 million unauthorized immigrants > > [Size of U.S. Unauthoriized Immigrant Workforce Stable After the Great Recession | Pew Research Center](http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/11/03/size-of-u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-workforce-stable-after-the-great-recession/) > > also from the same site you will that 15% of constructions working are unauthorized immigrants. > > You know numbers and stuff. Just because I’m sure of one item, that is illegal aliens have taken jobs from Americans and legal immigrants, isn’t the same as someone saying I’ve never lost a job to an illegal alien, because you don’t know for sure if the person they hired instead of you was in fact in the country legally. You are comparing two different sets of numbers. Your first set includes all unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S. Your second set comprises unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. labor force. As you can [see here](http://http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/27/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/), the unauthorized population has mostly stabilized at around 11 million since 2009. According to the Pew numbers, which you seem to trust as accurate, I can’t see how you can give much credit to Trump for reducing the unauthorized immigrant population. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/482 "2018-05-20T16:31:17Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Are you sure? A quick Google search Reveals His gag rules, the time he said there should be some form of punishment for women who have abortions, Etc. > > Did he change his mind? No, I imagine he personally doesn’t give a fig one way or another about abortion, and would be very much in favor of it for a mistress with whom he had an inconvenient mishap. But he’s willing to be hypocritical to gain the support of his base. Most of the religious right will gladly make the tradeoff of ignoring sexual malfeasance of individual pols, in the exchange for the ability to interfere in the sex life of everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/483 "2018-05-20T16:32:29Z")
You know why the tax code is so complicated and why it is such a pain for businesses? Because it keeps changing. Congress won’t leave the damn thing alone for more than five minutes. For once I’d love to see a President or Majority Leader say “We’re not going to allow any changes to the tax code for two years.” ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/484 "2018-05-20T16:55:16Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Fox News has an ‘accuracy’ of less than 60%, meaning that it is nearly half lies, damn lies and fiction. And _accused by one of their own reporters_ of deliberately fabricating a story because the Trump White House told them to. ---
**Author:** ![postpic200](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@postpic200](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/postpic200)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/485 "2018-05-20T16:59:56Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > What the hey; let’s give this a shot. > > Hey, postpic. Try this: > > [ol][li]Take a piece of paper.[/li][li]Divide it into two columns.[/li][li]At the top of one column, write “Trump”. At the top of the other column, write “Ms. Clinton”.[/li][li]List the crimes, misdemeanors, other actual offenses you know, you actually know, that each one has committed in their column.[/li][li]Next to each crime, misdemeanor, or other actual offense, write down the severity you think it should be. Just for fun, let’s go with “1” for “least severe” to “10” for “most severe”.[/li][li]At the bottom of each column, write both the total number of crimes, misdemeanors, and other actual offenses, along with the total severity for that column’s list.[/li][li]Come back here and post your list. Be sure to explain why you support the individual with (a) the larger list and (b) the highest total for severity.[/ol][/li] > And don’t forget to include lying to the American people every freaking day in Trump’s column. I had a long post but decided it really wasn’t relevant. You assume that my list on Trump would have a longer than Hillary’s and with that I would consider his crimes greater than her’s. But from your tone, it seem like you hate Trump. You see, I can understand why people hate Trump. A lot of people were very invested in Hillary winning, the press, the DNC, etc. Re-watch the election coverage, watch the glee reports had when they talked about Hillary, how Trump had no chance of winning. How reporters wanted to be on the bus with the first woman to become president. How they wanted to be part of history. How they built up Hillary as the heir apparent to Obama, and how Trump had no chance of winning. Washington Post “Donald Trump’s chances of winning are approaching zero.” Reuter “Clinton has 90 percent chance of winning: “ They expected Trump to lose, after all they were part of the “good” people who knew what was best for everyone. They heard how Hillary was going to win in a landslide or a blowout. And in one night when Hillary lost, they lost also, and all those “good” deeds that they couldn’t get past congress could be undone. Trump could repeal all those executive orders, and there was basically nothing that could be done to stop it. It was unfair, Hillary deserved to be president, she worked so hard. So it was a crushing blow to many when she lost, and how dare Trump win, it was his fault. Yes, I can understand how that would upset people, enough to hate Trump, but now there is a choice. You can accept the fact Trump is president, or hide in your room or gather with your friend and shout not my president, that’s your choice. Of course if you accept the fact Trump is president and if you think the country is going the wrong way, then vote for people who you think will lead this country in the direction you want. Like it or not, just like Obama was my president, Trump is your president. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/486 "2018-05-20T17:13:34Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > I had a long post but decided it really wasn’t relevant. You assume that my list on Trump would have a longer than Hillary’s and with that I would consider his crimes greater than her’s. But from your tone, it seem like you hate Trump. > > You see, I can understand why people hate Trump. > > … > > Yes, I can understand how that would upset people, enough to hate Trump, This is all a bunch of bullshit, and the usual conservative failure at attempted mind reading. The reason that trump is disliked is not because he beat hillary. The reason that trump is disliked is because of the things he has done, the things he has said, and the things he has said he will do. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/487 "2018-05-20T17:14:48Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > … > Yes, I can understand how that would upset people, enough to hate Trump, but now there is a choice. You can accept the fact Trump is president, or hide in your room or gather with your friend and shout not my president, that’s your choice. Of course if you accept the fact Trump is president and if you think the country is going the wrong way, then vote for people who you think will lead this country in the direction you want. Like it or not, just like Obama was my president, Trump is your president. Over 3000 lies in the first year. **3000 lies in 365 days**. That’s **8.2 lies a day**. Would you punish your child for telling 8.2 lies each day to you? Would you ever believe him if you needed to? ---
**Author:** ![postpic200](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@postpic200](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/postpic200)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/488 "2018-05-20T17:17:02Z")
> [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](#): > > You are comparing two different sets of numbers. Your first set includes all unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S. Your second set comprises unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. labor force. As you can [see here](http://http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/27/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/), the unauthorized population has mostly stabilized at around 11 million since 2009. > > According to the Pew numbers, which you seem to trust as accurate, I can’t see how you can give much credit to Trump for reducing the unauthorized immigrant population. The first set was to show the approximate number of illegal aliens in the and yes it was an older number but I try and used sources that both sides can agree on. I for example would not use Fox or CNN without a lot of documentation to back it up. The second set, was to show the approximate number of illegal aliens in different job categories. It was to dis-spell that notion that illegal aliens only take jobs that Americans and legal immigrants won’t do. There are many, including some on this board, that say illegal aliens don’t take jobs from citizens or legal immigrants. Personally I have found Pew to be basically neutral. I’ve said before the way to control illegal aliens is to raise the fines to such an extent that it would be too great a risk to hire them. With no work most will self-deport. That by itself would reduce the number, then it’s just applying our laws when an illegal alien is picked up. ---
**Author:** ![postpic200](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@postpic200](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/postpic200)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/489 "2018-05-20T17:18:04Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > This is all a bunch of bullshit, and the usual conservative failure at attempted mind reading. The reason that trump is disliked is not because he beat hillary. The reason that trump is disliked is because of the things he has done, the things he has said, and the things he has said he will do. So tell me what has he done that you hate? ---
**Author:** ![postpic200](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@postpic200](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/postpic200)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/490 "2018-05-20T17:20:40Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Over 3000 lies in the first year. **3000 lies in 365 days**. That’s **8.2 lies a day**. Would you punish your child for telling 8.2 lies each day to you? Would you ever believe him if you needed to? I believe your source is from CNN, I read the article. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/491 "2018-05-20T17:24:10Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > I believe your source is from CNN, I read the article. So, it was fake news? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/492 "2018-05-20T17:25:31Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > Now Hillary was for the wall before she was against it, she was against it. It seem to me she was picking her position on what she though would get her the most votes at the time. In a democracy, isn’t listening to the voters supposed to be a good thing? > [@](#): > > …that government should be much small with more power going to local governments as I feel the closer the government is to the people the better the peoples needs are met. Are you in favor of sanctuary cities? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/493 "2018-05-20T17:26:19Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > So tell me what has he done that you hate? Can you tell me why you make that inaccurate presumption? ---
**Author:** ![postpic200](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@postpic200](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/postpic200)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/494 "2018-05-20T17:33:59Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > So, it was fake news? Didn’t say that, I’d like to see how they came up with that number though and how it compared to past president. Personally I think Trump’s number would be higher because he tweets a lot. But I still want to see how they came up with that number. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/495 "2018-05-20T17:40:46Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > Didn’t say that, I’d like to see how they came up with that number though and how it compared to past president. Personally I think Trump’s number would be higher because he tweets a lot. But I still want to see how they came up with that number. It’s in the article. They took the things that he said to the public that were not true, and counted them. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/496 "2018-05-20T17:42:15Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > It seem to me she was picking her position on what she though would get her the most votes at the time. That’s Trump, 24/7. And he’s still doing it. Or have you not noticed him waffling on, say, gun control when the NRA starts complaining? ---
**Author:** ![postpic200](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@postpic200](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/postpic200)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/497 "2018-05-20T17:46:13Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > In a democracy, isn’t listening to the voters supposed to be a good thing? > > Are you in favor of sanctuary cities? I’ve never held it against someone who changed their mind if they had a reason to do so. With Hillary, she didn’t give a reason why she changed her mind. What facts does she have now the made her change her mind? She was for fence when it seem like that was the thing to say to get votes, and against it when that was the way to get votes. Same with many other of issues, she seems to be saying what will get her the most votes. No I’m not in favor of sanctuary cities, but if a local government wishes to become one shouldn’t that be up to the local government? As long as the local government doesn’t break the law, shouldn’t they decide if they want to co-operate with the federal government or not? But that said shouldn’t the local government also be held responsible if they release someone with an immigration hold on them and that person commits a crime? I also wonder what those cities would say if the federal government said, “We won’t deport anyone from in your city, no matter what crime they commit.” ---
**Author:** ![postpic200](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@postpic200](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/postpic200)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/498 "2018-05-20T17:51:24Z")
This will be my last post on this thread, it’s really isn’t going anywhere. While some of the posts have been very thought provoking, most are not. This thread is “Why do you like Donald Trump as President?” I gave my reasons, knowing I would get a lot of abuse. I gave my opinion, and it’s just that an opinion. Just like it’s others opinion that Hillary would have been a better choice. I felt and still feel that I could trust Trump more than Hillary, for a number of reasons, some listed here some not. To those who posted the thought provoking posts, thank you. I want to understand your point of view, and I hope you’ll try and understand mine. To the haters, keep on hating, you’re good at it. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/499 "2018-05-20T18:23:12Z")
> [@postpic200](#): > > Didn’t say that, I’d like to see how they came up with that number though and how it compared to past president. Personally I think Trump’s number would be higher because he tweets a lot. But I still want to see how they came up with that number. Here; \* President Donald Trump has told nearly six times more lies in the first 10 months of his presidency than former President Barack Obama did in his entire 8-year term, according to data collected and published Thursday in the New York Times.\* > **[How the Quantity of Trump’s Lies Compares to Obama’s](https://fortune.com/2017/12/14/trump-lies-new-york-times/)** > > Trump has told nearly 6 times more lies in his first 10 months in office than Obama did in his entire term, according to the New York Times. Is lying an acceptable quality? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/500 "2018-05-20T18:24:57Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > This is all a bunch of bullshit, and the usual conservative failure at attempted mind reading. The reason that trump is disliked is not because he beat hillary. The reason that trump is disliked is because of the things he has done, the things he has said, and the things he has said he will do. A Fucking MEN! It has nothing to do with Hillary or anyone else and is entirely about what a colossal shitbag he is as a human being. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064.md?page=26)