# Why do you like Donald Trump as President? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 12, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064 "2018-05-12T21:09:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/81 "2018-05-14T01:50:17Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Well, let’s see… > > He’s a bully, a narcissist, childish, threatens to shut the gov’t down if he doesn’t get his wall or whatever else he wants, doesn’t care if the national parks are destroyed, doesn’t care for regulations of any kind, is a misogynist, a racist; he lies constantly, would love to bring back any forms of torture, wants women penalized for abortions, thinks that anything he doesn’t want to hear is fake news, thinks his wall is actually feasible and a good idea, is belligerent, doesn’t care to read or educate himself, has fired one advisor after another or pushed them to resign, and… Do I really need to go on? > > What is there to like? You left out giving our secrets to the Russians. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/82 "2018-05-14T01:51:55Z")
I’ll bite the bullet and say it: Melania Trump is fucking hideous (and, although Donald Trump hideous as well, he’s not the hideous she’s fucking. I’m using the word as an adjective, not a noun). She does absolutely nothing for me. I look at her face, and it’s like there’s a void where her features should be. She’s ugly. Yes, she has a nice figure. But I’d have a great body if my day consisted of sending Baron to school, then working out so that Trump wouldn’t catch me when he ran around the apartment with his pants around his ankles, his flaccid penis flopping against one cellulite-heavy, pasty white thigh, only rising just for it to yell “no” like the Hulk in “Infinity Wars.” ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/83 "2018-05-14T01:56:08Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > When you have some evidence for this that exists outside of your own mind, please come back and present it. > [@enipla](#): > > Which lunatic are you referring to? > [@Morgenstern](#): > > Actually, it wasn’t trump. It was Dennis Rodman and his most recent trip to NK that set this all up. Dennis Rodman even took credit for this but he is apparently not asking for a Nobel. > > So, no matter what Fox tells you, it was Rodman who made this all possible. My apologies if the sarcasm didn’t come across (sincerely.) Trump is indeed the lunatic I referenced. I of course don’t know who or what brought Un and Moon together, but my joke was meant to convey that if Trump had any role it was as motivation to keep his tiny cocktail-wiener fingers off the big red button. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/84 "2018-05-14T05:03:39Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Again, please be specific. I’m sincerely interested in learning why your thoughts are as disjointed and incorrect as they are. Because he’s stupid? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/85 "2018-05-14T05:27:07Z")
The true irony is that, while **Clothahump** perfectly encapsulates and demonstrates “Dunning-Kruger,” he’s unable to realize that he’s the unintelligent one, instead insisting that it’s us who are the dumb ones. It’s cognitive dissonance writ large. It’s why you will never hear Taylor Swift write a song called, “Maybe It’s Me.” ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/86 "2018-05-14T05:36:52Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Also, there is a significant overlap between Trump supporters and Sarah Palin fans. It’s not just a gender issue. Supporters? Fans? How about worshippers? Cal Thomas addressed this a few weeks ago - that some Christians appear to be worshipping Trump, not Jesus. Yeah, I agreed with him. That was a first. > **[Jesus or Trump? - Cal Thomas](https://calthomas.com/2018/04/jesus-or-trump/)** > > Following Jesus, or following Trump? By Cal Thomas Tribune Content Agency “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other.” (Matthew 6:24) The verse refers to... ---
**Author:** ![Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hilarity_n.suze/32/6223_2.png) [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hilarity_N.Suze)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/87 "2018-05-14T07:18:21Z")
I am thinking about this, and one of my problems with conservatives is that they never, ever, ever think they have got something wrong. Anything. You can throw facts at them and it’s almost like, if they change their minds about anything, then they seem to feel they can never call themselves a real conservative again. So let’s see, Trump is good because he DID change the minds of some conservatives I know and they are no longer members of the Republican party. There must be others who have similarly become enlightened due to his horribleness. People across the country, questioning and maybe even (gasp!) changing their minds. But I think a lot of guys like Trump–no, love him–because this is a guy who eats no shit. Most people in their daily life get a big old bite of a shit sandwich, metaphorically speaking of course, almost every day, and certainly every week. Not Trump. Nope, he gets what he wants. Somebody in his circle doesn’t go his way, that person is OUT. He gets what he wants, he’s filthy rich, and he has a hot wife. So if you can’t be him, at least you can worship him. And he has hit the sweet spot, people gullible enough to think by worshipping him they can be him, or at least think that he’s ON THEIR SIDE, so at least they’re on the same side as their false god, and people who, once they choose an object of worship, will never, ever change their mind. Not if he shoots somebody on 5th Avenue. He’s said so himself and he’s probably right. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/88 "2018-05-14T08:05:15Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Thanks for your opinion clairobscur. I would prefer that Trump supporters express their own. > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > There may be some truth to that, but it cuts both ways. How much are midwest farmers and Appalachian coal miners interested in city dwellers and their issues? For every dismissal of “flyover country” there’s a corresponding accusation of “ivory-tower elitist”. > > Or do Trump supporters think that they’re the only Real Americans[sup]TM[/sup], and only their agenda matters? That wasn’t my personal opinion of Trump voters, but my understanding of the views expressed in the specific article that was linked to, since some posters claimed to not understand its content or seemed to have interpreted it in a rather creative way. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/89 "2018-05-14T09:24:11Z")
> [@pool](#): > > I think there are a couple reasons Trump won and they aren’t all that complex. The Democrats have essentially become the party of identity politics, which devolves into a sort of tribalism mess. When you start dividing people up into all these special little groups, things become divisive and everyone wants to be on the winning side. So I’m curious - in what way was Clinton’s 2016 campaign really driven by identity politics? I mean, when you look at what she had to say on the campaign trail, there was a lot of talk about how Trump was racist, sexist, etc., but to what degree can it be said that she was focusing on identity politics, any more than she was focusing on, I dunno, jobs, or syria, or any other important issue? ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/90 "2018-05-14T12:11:41Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Half the country did not vote for Trump. In fact half the country did not vote, period – the quintessential American problem. Oh, no. You see, calling it an American problem makes it sound as if you guys are exceptional in that. It’s a problem in pretty much any location which has a voting system in place, while not having compulsory voting. The part about the electoral college? _That_ is a quintessential American problem. > [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](#): > > I am thinking about this, and one of my problems with conservatives is that they never, ever, ever think they have got something wrong. Anything. You can throw facts at them and it’s almost like, if they change their minds about anything, then they seem to feel they can never call themselves a real conservative again. There’s also the ones who have always been at war with Eurasia, although those seem to be found in a variety of settings. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/91 "2018-05-14T12:50:36Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Supporters? Fans? How about worshippers? > > Cal Thomas addressed this a few weeks ago - that some Christians appear to be worshipping Trump, not Jesus. Yeah, I agreed with him. That was a first. > [Jesus or Trump? - Cal Thomas](https://calthomas.com/columns/jesus-or-trump) Yeah. Worshipers is pretty much it. Look at [this utter nonsense](https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-host-trump-fulfilled-083426392.html). By the way, doesn’t anyone remember the Republicans condemning Obama’s supporters for worshiping Obama? The hypocrisy meter is pegged, nailed in place even. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/92 "2018-05-14T13:30:19Z")
I think you can find the answer[here](https://nypost.com/2018/05/14/mitt-romney-calls-pastor-delivering-us-embassy-blessing-a-religious-bigot/): > [@](#): > > Former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said the evangelical pastor who will deliver a blessing at Monday’s US Embassy opening in Jerusalem is a “religious bigot” unfit for such an honor. > > “Robert Jeffress says ‘you can’t be saved by being a Jew,’ and ‘Mormonism is a heresy from the pit of hell.’ He’s said the same about Islam > [@](#): > > Jeffress, pastor of the First Baptist Church in Dallas and a member of President Trump’s evangelical advisory board, has also called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints a “cult” and said Islam is “based on a false book” and “if you sincerely follow the tenets of Islam, then you will end up in hell when you die.” > [@](#): > > “Not only do religions like Mormonism, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism — not only do they lead people away from God, they lead people to an eternity of separation from God in hell,” he said. > > He denied Romney’s claim that he’s a bigot in a tweet. > ​ > “Historic Christianity has taught for 2,000 years that salvation is through faith in Christ alone,” he wrote. “The fact that I, along with tens of millions of evangelical Christians around the world, continue to espouse that belief, is neither bigoted nor newsworthy.” > > He also defended his comment about Mormonism, saying the Southern Baptist Convention has designated it a “cult.” > > “Mormonism has never been considered a part of historic Christianity. People may disagree with that view, but it’s not a view unique to me In a nutshell, people who can’t read support Trump. If they could read, they would grok the 1st Amendment separation of church and state. But they can’t, therefore they don’t, and here we are. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/93 "2018-05-14T13:50:50Z")
I’m sorry, but “Why do you like Donald Trump as President?”? I’d like to know why anyone would like him just as a person! Seriously, this guy is terrible. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/94 "2018-05-14T13:54:33Z")
I don’t think his supporters are all (or mostly) sexist, racist bigots. But yes, frankly-speaking, all the trump supporters I’ve met, their reason for identifying with him is ignorance. Let’s take the example of trade deficits. Trump talks about trade deficits as inherently a bad thing, and evidence of an exploitative relationship. He talks about America “losing money”. Any person who’s read one page of any book on economics, will know that’s nonsense based on a fundamental misunderstanding. But a lot of people \*haven’t \*read one page, and to them, Trump is “telling it like it is”, and not being “PC”. And I know what the response to all this will be: “Calling all Trump supporters ignorant is just making the country more divided”, “makes the right wing hate liberals more” etc etc. But what can I say? Every time I talk to a trump supporter, their support is based first and foremost on a lack of knowledge of some topic, be it climate science, economics, crime statistics etc. If anyone wishes to reply to me, please start with answering this: Does Trump understand trade deficits? Do his supporters? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/95 "2018-05-14T14:07:06Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > I’m sorry, but “Why do you like Donald Trump as President?”? I’d like to know why anyone would like him just as a person! Seriously, this guy is terrible. Pretty much why I started the thread. Hard to wrap your mind around anyone liking him in any way shape of form. He’s repugnant in every way. A disgrace to our country. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/96 "2018-05-14T14:40:32Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > I see that you have typed some words, and in an order that actually make sense. Too bad they’re not true. > > Trump is much worse for American business than Obama could ever have been. > > That said, however, I’m interested in how you could possibly arrive at that conclusion. Please, be specific. What specifically has Trump done that makes you think that he’s pro-business? How was Obama bad for same? > > Again, please be specific. I’m sincerely interested in learning why your thoughts are as disjointed and incorrect as they are. To start with, they are not incorrect. Your assumption that they are is what is incorrect. Look at the economy. American business sat on cash and did not expand while Obama was in office. They’re spending the cash now. Look at Obama’s war on coal. Look at Cash For Clunkers, which totally devastated the after-market used car parts businesses. Here’s a 2012 article on Obama’s tax policy [screwing small business owners.](https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/07/13/obamas-tax-hike-plan-punishes-small-businesses) And the list goes on. I know you hate Trump and you think the sun shines out of Obama’s butt and all that, but the cold fact of the matter is that we are better off under Trump than under Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/97 "2018-05-14T15:05:00Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > I’m sorry, but “Why do you like Donald Trump as President?”? I’d like to know why anyone would like him just as a person! Seriously, this guy is terrible. How he treats women? As a child Donald Trump was raised to respect women and treat them as equals. Donald Trump loves staying fit by playing sports and knows sometimes people coarsely joke in the locker room as a sign of respect. Donald Trump has always been a courageous fighter. If you punch him, he will punch back hard. Given how Donald Trump was taught to treat women as equals, if a woman attacks him, he will treat her the way he would treat a man. Donald Trump doesn’t really see gender in his dealings, he only notices behavior. When they (i.e. Mika) attack him, Donald Trump thinks it is entirely disrespectful to women to treat them with kid gloves as though they are precious flowers. Ignoring their abuse would go against his fundamental desire to treat men and women equally. Donald Trump thinks most women want equal treatment but there is a group who are full of tough talk but claim to be victims when people respond, misusing their privileged status. Everything Donald Trump does is founded upon his high regard for his daughters and other women. Nobody respects women more than he does. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/98 "2018-05-14T15:21:49Z")
The staff turnover surely is something that you can look at 100% objectively. What previous admininstration had such a high level of turnover? Don’t you want someone who is cooly, calmly, and rationally competent and can choose advisers that he can stick with? And how could it not bother you, at least a little bit? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/99 "2018-05-14T15:28:17Z")
> [@Covfefe](#): > > Donald Trump loves staying fit by playing sports Had to push it just a little too far, didn’t you? Almost had us, but you gave yourself away. Decent effort, though. C minus! ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/100 "2018-05-14T15:40:56Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > He previously posted a link to a really astonishing Newsweek article that purported to list them. Astonishing because the “accomplishments” were things like pulling out of the Paris climate accords, appointing a lunatic to the EPA and subsequent dismantling of vital environmental regulations, pushing coal as a fuel source, approving offshore oil drilling almost everywhere (except Florida because, you know, wouldn’t want to spill any oil on Mar-A-Lago) and so on and so on in the same vein. The “accomplishments” are, in short, like the doomsday scenario of a very bad nightmare, where you wake up relieved that it was only a bad dream. Except this is real. And let’s not forget the gutting of the consumer protection bureau. Being able to defraud your customers with impunity is great for businesses. > [@John\_DiFool](#): > > The staff turnover surely is something that you can look at 100% objectively. What previous admininstration had such a high level of turnover? Don’t you want someone who is cooly, calmly, and rationally competent and can choose advisers that he can stick with? And how could it not bother you, at least a little bit? He’s just fulfilling his campaign promise to drain the swamp. Yes they were people that he hired, but you gotta admit they were pretty swampy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064.md?page=6)