# Why do you like Donald Trump as President? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 12, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064 "2018-05-12T21:09:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/121 "2018-05-15T17:43:02Z")
Personally, I don’t like the idea of any woman for president because of the potential diplomatic problems with male-dominated cultures. Arabs, for example. But a woman who actually knows how to run an administration vs. an incompetent boob? No contest! ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/122 "2018-05-15T17:48:30Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Way to miss the whole point. :rolleyes: I’m just a stupid man. What is the point? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/123 "2018-05-15T17:51:18Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Personally, I don’t like the idea of any woman for president because of the potential diplomatic problems with male-dominated cultures. Arabs, for example. But a woman who actually knows how to run an administration vs. an incompetent boob? No contest! There have been plenty of national leaders who were women and male dominated cultures dealt with them just fine (Margaret Thatcher, Indira Gandhi and Golda Meir leap to mind). ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/124 "2018-05-15T18:06:11Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > There have been plenty of national leaders who were women and male dominated cultures dealt with them just fine (Margaret Thatcher, Indira Gandhi and Golda Meir leap to mind). Sure, but we don’t need to give radicals another reason to bring their terror over here. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/125 "2018-05-15T18:34:20Z")
Really? You are afraid of gender terrorists? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/126 "2018-05-15T18:41:34Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I’m just a stupid man… Don’t be redundant and repetitive. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/127 "2018-05-15T18:58:56Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Really? You are afraid of gender terrorists? I’m about 5 miles from the White House. Any sufficiently pissed off group will seriously ruin my day. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/128 "2018-05-15T19:04:09Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > \*\*I’m about 5 miles from the White House. \*\*Any sufficiently pissed off group will seriously ruin my day. 😉 Can you fart in their general direction for us please. Much obliged. ---
**Author:** ![ElderSign](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eldersign/32/8263_2.png) [@ElderSign](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElderSign)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/129 "2018-05-15T19:11:16Z")
In their own words: > **[I'm a Lifelong Democrat. Here's Why I Voted for Trump.](https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/01/03/im-a-lifelong-democrat-here-are-3-reasons-i-pulled-the-lever-for-trump/)** > > The Democratic Party is not what it used to be. > **[I voted for Donald Trump to save lives: Response to Redlawsk](https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/07/23/voted-trump-save-lives-sophia-buono-column/413823001/)** > > Voting for Trump does not make me bigoted or backward. I care for all the marginalized, starting with the most vulnerable. > **[Opinion: Trump voters say they get no respect (gee, I wonder why)](https://whyy.org/articles/trump-voters-say-they-get-no-respect-gee-i-wonder-why/)** > > Much time and effort is being devoted to "understanding" the typical Trump voter > **[Why I'm voting for Trump | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/27/politics/donald-trump-voters-2016-election/index.html)** > > Why I'm voting for Donald Trump: CNN talks to more than 150 people in 31 cities to explore what's driving the Trump phenomenon > **[These Lifelong Democrats Voted for Trump and Aren’t Sorry](https://www.thedailybeast.com/these-lifelong-democrats-voted-for-trump-and-arent-sorry)** > > A baker, a mechanic, and a former union rep, all from the Rust Belt or Midwest, all Democrats, and all fed up with the status quo, say they voted for Trump and would do it again. > **[Why I Am Voting for Trump](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/opinion/election-night-2016/whyi-am-voting-for-trump)** > > My mother and many of my friends are appalled with my choice. But it really wasn’t that difficult. > **[Meet the Latinos who voted for Donald Trump](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/latinos-voted-donald-trump-president-election-a7412591.html)** > > Despite his anti-immigrant, anti-Mexican rhetoric, the president-elect secured at least 18 per cent of the Hispanic-American vote > **[SWAAY Media - Page Does Not Exist - Whoops!](https://swaay.com/im-feminist-voted-trump-5-female-trump-supporters-stand-now-2/)** > > Looks like we’ve hit a snag. The page you are looking for no longer exists or has moved. > **[Why I voted for Trump](https://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/jul/28/why-i-voted-for-trump/)** > > I’d like to explain my vote for President Donald Trump to those — particularly in response to a recent letter to the Sun — who cannot understand how any reasonably smart or rational person could vote for him. ... ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/130 "2018-05-15T19:16:10Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I hear some regulations are being cut. Other than that I am against Trump just as much as I was against Obama and Bush2. The Three Stooge era of the American presidency. > > That being said, I feel quite a bit of delight from seeing the mental breakdown of a particular group of statists. Trump has caused many an identity crisis. They actually wrap up their personal identity with the state. It is a phenomenon that will be a topic of study in psychology for centuries to come. > > I listen to NPR in the car, so hearing good anti-protectionist rhetoric is a pleasing ride. No railing against cheap Chinese tires anymore. No excusing mass deportation anymore. They chilled a bit on supporting humanitarian mass-murder and regional destabilization, but not so much. Empire is very much an ego thing for them. TL;DR version: “Librul tears haha!” ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/131 "2018-05-15T19:30:13Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Here’s a think-piece that a FB friend had on his feed the other day. > > [url=][Rebecca Solnit: Whose Story (and Country) Is This? ‹ Literary Hub](https://lithub.com/rebecca-solnit-the-myth-of-real-america-just-wont-go-away/) > > I found it thought-provoking. And distressing. I agree with her on the overall tenor, but not necessarily on all the specifics. The part where Stormy Daniels is said to have “an instinct for self-promotion” and “her competitive streak is not well concealed"; I hear those sorts of things said about men, too, by those who are attempting discredit or defeat them. She is the protagonist of those accusations, even if they are an attempt to distract from her allegations against Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/132 "2018-05-15T19:34:06Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Here’s a think-piece that a FB friend had on his feed the other day. > > [url=][Rebecca Solnit: Whose Story (and Country) Is This? ‹ Literary Hub](https://lithub.com/rebecca-solnit-the-myth-of-real-america-just-wont-go-away/) > > I found it thought-provoking. And distressing. That was excellent; thanks for linking it. ---
**Author:** ![Ersatz\_Shmoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee59a6/32.png) [@Ersatz\_Shmoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ersatz_Shmoe)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/133 "2018-05-15T20:48:45Z")
To answer the OP, the reasons I am often given for supporting Trump are\*: He understands real Americans, and doesn’t spend all his time catering to coastal elites. He took the shackles off of business, and now the economy is booming. He’s finally addressing our immigration problem by enforcing immigration laws. He is aggressive toward our enemies, instead of rolling over and apologizing for America like Obama did. He supports the police and the military instead of criminals. He’s a strong, successful businessman who doesn’t take any crap from anybody. Liberals (or “leftists”) hate what he’s doing, so he must be on the right track. By the same token, if he’s doing the opposite of what Obama did, it must be good. * * * - Not that any of these are my opinions, but they do seem like an accurate reflection of things I’ve heard from people. ---
**Author:** ![Ruined](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Ruined](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruined)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/134 "2018-05-15T22:16:49Z")
I’ll bite. The reply above does list out some of the reasons for people being drawn to Trump. I think it’s important to not dehumanize people if you are attempting to understand them. Seems obvious but labeling his supporters as rednecks, racists, bigots etc is quite the opposite. Trump supporters are an extremely diverse group of people that all like him for varying reasons. What got me into the box to get him elected was pretty simple. 1. He had a strong platform on the ACA. I had worked in the insurance industry for years before and after Obamacare. I saw the changes, both with cost and availability. I won’t get into too many details but I hated what I saw. A specific example I use is selling people insurance and having them cry about being able to get it for the first time or without paying insane premiums. Despite not liking Obama, I was impressed and hopeful. 6 months later when doing a check up I saw the same thing every time. Entitlement. The same people crying on my shoulder months before are now telling me they shouldn’t have to pay 20 dollars more a month or that they forgot to pay it completely and shouldn’t have to go through the process of getting again, it should just be given to them. Many times in this case these people were paying less than 100 dollars a YEAR. It was such a stark turnaround. Then you have the other end of the job with breaking people’s hearts at the 60-100k income range when I listed out the pricing options. There’s no way they can afford 3-5k a MONTH especially if they are single oddly enough. 1. Immigration enforcement and reform. I lived for a while in southern Texas near the border wall. I talked to numerous border agents, drove the wall on multiple occasions, and saw the impact illegals have on communities and businesses. It was not reassuring. I have gotten to know a lot of illegals throughout my life and they are generally good people just trying to make a better life for themselves. Do not act self righteous when claiming trump supporters hate Mexicans, illegals, etc. It pains me to think of these people I have enjoyed my time with potentially being deported but the facts are in. Without enforcement we are losing our asses as a country and I unfortunately have to consider both everyday. I trust someone like trump who has lived a life helping others as well as himself and his companies to make a better decision regarding the subject than myself. 2. Deep state and trolling. These two are connected in the sense that he has no patience for bullshit. He wants to rid America of the people that seek to destroy or cripple it from the inside. Even if it’s only one person I still agree with getting them out. He did this during the campaign by using troll tactics that I respect. He pushed back when attacked. He made use of his “art of the deal” bullshit to actually succeed. He had the entire media(yes including fox and fags) against him and it only got worse after primaries. He was willing to work hard and do countless record setting rallies and over the course of a single year got better and better at it. It was an incredible thing to see and by the time I got to the ballot box it was an easy choice. These are personal to me and outside of the ACA he has begin work on everything else including some cherries like Korea and Isis. If you cannot stop pointing fingers and using identity politics to categorize tens of millions, approaching 100 million people, then you can’t honestly expect to understand why he has such a following. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/135 "2018-05-15T22:24:16Z")
LOLOLOL. You a Klan member too? ---
**Author:** ![Ruined](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Ruined](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruined)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/136 "2018-05-15T22:28:20Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > LOLOLOL. You a Klan member too? Nice addition. I hope you are not of voting age. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/137 "2018-05-15T22:34:54Z")
You know the pit is a portal to the “deep state,” right? And you already failed the entrance exam by pointing out you voted for the tangerine groper. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/138 "2018-05-15T23:17:43Z")
Welcome. I hope you’re willing to discuss this. > [@Ruined](#): > > I’ll bite. The reply above does list out some of the reasons for people being drawn to Trump. I think it’s important to not dehumanize people if you are attempting to understand them. Seems obvious but labeling his supporters as rednecks, racists, bigots etc is quite the opposite. Trump supporters are an extremely diverse group of people that all like him for varying reasons. What got me into the box to get him elected was pretty simple. Trump-opposers are also a diverse group, with a wide variety of viewpoints on a wide variety of issues. Be careful not to apply the de-humanizing brush to us as well. > [@](#): > > 1. He had a strong platform on the ACA. I had worked in the insurance industry for years before and after Obamacare. I saw the changes, both with cost and availability. I won’t get into too many details but I hated what I saw. A specific example I use is selling people insurance and having them cry about being able to get it for the first time or without paying insane premiums. Despite not liking Obama, I was impressed and hopeful. 6 months later when doing a check up I saw the same thing every time. Entitlement. The same people crying on my shoulder months before are now telling me they shouldn’t have to pay 20 dollars more a month or that they forgot to pay it completely and shouldn’t have to go through the process of getting again, it should just be given to them. Many times in this case these people were paying less than 100 dollars a YEAR. It was such a stark turnaround. > > Then you have the other end of the job with breaking people’s hearts at the 60-100k income range when I listed out the pricing options. There’s no way they can afford 3-5k a MONTH especially if they are single oddly enough. I’m reading two things here. First up, that you liked the ACA platform he ran on. As stated, I did too. It was going to be cheap, available to everyone, easy to use, and not disqualify pre-existing conditions. It was going to be the best healthcare and we would have it immediately. We didn’t get that. We got measures that broke the existing system further, with nothing substantial implemented in its place. This is the opposite of what he promised. Second, can you give me a rough percentage of the lower income people who were crying on your shoulder? How much of their income were they being asked to pay for healthcare (premiums + co-pays + amount insurance wouldn’t cover)? Same question for the middle class folks? My theory is that if you break it down, their relative costs are similar, and their complaints happened at the same rate. Some complaints made more sense to you than others. Possible? > [@](#): > > 1. Immigration enforcement and reform. I lived for a while in southern Texas near the border wall. I talked to numerous border agents, drove the wall on multiple occasions, and saw the impact illegals have on communities and businesses. It was not reassuring. I have gotten to know a lot of illegals throughout my life and they are generally good people just trying to make a better life for themselves. Do not act self righteous when claiming trump supporters hate Mexicans, illegals, etc. It pains me to think of these people I have enjoyed my time with potentially being deported but the facts are in. Without enforcement we are losing our asses as a country and I unfortunately have to consider both everyday. I trust someone like trump who has lived a life helping others as well as himself and his companies to make a better decision regarding the subject than myself. I’d like to know which “facts are in”. Could you please expand on this? How are we “losing our asses as a country”? I would also like some examples on how Trump has lived his life helping others. > [@](#): > > 1. Deep state and trolling. These two are connected in the sense that he has no patience for bullshit. He wants to rid America of the people that seek to destroy or cripple it from the inside. Even if it’s only one person I still agree with getting them out. He did this during the campaign by using troll tactics that I respect. He pushed back when attacked. He made use of his “art of the deal” bullshit to actually succeed. He had the entire media(yes including fox and fags) against him and it only got worse after primaries. He was willing to work hard and do countless record setting rallies and over the course of a single year got better and better at it. It was an incredible thing to see and by the time I got to the ballot box it was an easy choice. This is some interesting shit right here. Let’s start with the basics. Drop the “fags” bullshit you ridiculous cactus-fucking troglodyte. I’m hoping you’ll stay around long enough to actually contribute something. Now, getting rid of “the people that seek to destroy or cripple it [America] from the inside” is a priority we can agree on. The key difference is you have an amorphous fear of unknown entities buried in the government who are working against the state because ?? Hail Hydra I guess? No, no, it’s the Illuminati. It’s obvious that we differ widely in our views on who is crippling the United States. Moving on, you state that you approve of his troll tactics and that picking him was a no brainer. I see him bully, harass, and lie on a daily basis. I’ll put those in the “troll” bucket. You state that you admire that. Do you see that as desirable behavior in the leader of our nation? Do you begin to understand why people have a negative perception of many Trump supporters? > [@](#): > > These are personal to me and outside of the ACA he has begin work on everything else including some cherries like Korea and Isis. > > If you cannot stop pointing fingers and using identity politics to categorize tens of millions, approaching 100 million people, then you can’t honestly expect to understand why he has such a following. I don’t think we are using identity politics to characterize 63 million voters. I think that Fox and InfoWars would like to reduce it to that level. ---
**Author:** ![Ruined](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Ruined](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruined)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/139 "2018-05-15T23:41:31Z")
I posted my response in answer to OPs question. I didnt come here to compare facts yet again. I posted to offer anecdotal experiences to a thread full of ridiculous assumptions. If OP actually wants to see reasons people like trump there are plenty of Google options available. This was merely an attempt to provide more personal details. Most of my friends lean left and I am well aware that it’s easy to apply negative things to the other side. I don’t care what you think about my use of a word fags. This is the same as seeing trump lie, bully, and harass. Your perspective on the use of words and trump’s demeanor is indicative of the issue at hand. In the same breath of calling me a number of names all of which are not true(aka harassing, bullying, and lieing) you claim that I should be more careful with the use of fags, and that your perspective of trump is not worthy of his office. Then you extend that further to reflect on his supporters, half of which do not like his tweeting and “bullying.” Do YOU see why no one would take your opinion on what the presidency should look like? Based on your single post you are in fact the same as the Trump you attempt to portray and as a result do not like. This is classic projection and is why I am not interested in a debate. I was providing a perspective and that’s it. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-you-like-donald-trump-as-president/814064/140 "2018-05-15T23:49:44Z")
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