Dio, what makes you think I haven’t reported your trolling?
Besides, Marley has already pointed out that the mods are no more ‘objective’ than we posters are. They don’t get to legislate ontology any more than we do. Trolls are trolls whether or not they’re modded.
And posters like Sevastopol are warned roughly annually for trolling and recently Tom described PRR’s conduct in the same language as the board’s official definition of trolling without issuing a slap on the wrist let alone a Warning. There’s no reason to expect that all the trolls here will be dealt with, and I can make much better use of my time by laughing at how ridiculously stupid you look when you claim that people are lying for stating that hundreds of anti-personnel rockets would constitute an attack, or that the rockets would be similar to kicking dirt or a five year old kicking your shins.
I don’t mind your trolling so much as I mind people responding seriously to your trolling. At least, after a post or two when it becomes clear that you’re trolling, since you do sorta have a selective troll nature and you do sometimes offer comments of value. Other times, you just troll your heart out. You are, I’ll admit, at least a funny troll and D is right, you’re very rarely hateful. Most often you’re simply risible as you race into the realm of self-parody.
And simply for the record, you were in fact once warned in one of the first Pit threads I ever started. And that was after you admitted to using a term you knew was inaccurate, in order to piss people off. Back then, it was you pretending that the US was engaged in a “campaign of genocide” against Iraqis and decided that a contentious issue would be made more inflammatory by your amping up the rhetoric to absurd levels. (Sound familiar?)
Oh, and on edit:
Naw, he started making that ‘point’ by saying that those who didn’t agree with his invented definition were using a “lie”.
Wasn’t that “genocide” thread like 5 years ago? You’ve got a long memory. I barely remember it.
I think that my fault is not “trolling” in the sense that I’m intentionally arguing anything I don’t believe, it’s that I have a weakness for over-the-top hyperbole. When I get worked up I turn into George Carlin, the latter years.
For the record, I wasn’t trying to be cute in that Israel thread in that whole “attack” tangent. I really was trying to argue that Israel as a state, was not under any existential threat and that its claims that its operating in self-defense are (in my opinion) disingenuous.
I don’t care if you disagree, and I don’t think you’re a bad person if you do, but I wasn’t stating anything I didn’t believe.
Even the “mirror” post was only a slight exaggeration of what I believe.
I already reported this post of yours, in which you are trolling. Of course, my definition of trolling is different from everybody else’s, but you’d have to be an idiot not to agree with me.
You do realize that everything after the comma directly contradicts everything before it? By admitting you’re using “over-the-top hyperbole” you’re admitting that you’re using an exaggeration that is bombastic and overblown and that you don’t believe.
And yeah, not only was it the first Pit thread I ever started, but it was over an inflammatory lie about how the US was involved in a deliberate campaign to exterminate the Iraqis. It was some of the craziest, ugliest, most dishonest shit I’d ever seen. Still is.
In terms of raw Crazypants Theater Quotient, you were about on the same level as people who claim that fluoride is in our water to facilitate mind control or that anti-personnel rockets, launched by the government of one nation against another nation, don’t constitute an attack and anybody who claims it does is lying. That kind of outrageous trolling tends to stick in my mind.
But never mind, even discussing this here with you I’m feeding you. And it’s not funny enough to justify me continuing.
On the edit, however, I will briefly point out that you’re now trolling in this thread some more. To the point:
Other posters in the thread had made that exact same claim, and even if they hadn’t, you’d have to be an idiot not to realize that they were bound to. Your were making up a bogus definition of “attack” in order to call them liars.
It sounds like Dio was trying to create a caricature of the other side through the use of exaggeration. The difficulty is when the two sides are very polarized, it’s often difficult to exaggerate enough to make it obvious. Some people will take it literally. And when you try to correct that by exaggerating more, it looks like what Bryan Ekers is describing:
On preview: Dio gave his interpretation, so mine was just a guess, but I’ll leave it since I had already written it.
Could you explain that just a bit more? It looks like he’s saying that he didn’t want to start another Pit thread to Pit Dio, but earlier he said that Dio was not the inspiration for this thread. The only part I got from the quoted statement was that it was a lame Pit. That part I understand.
What was the part you were pointing out suggesting?
I think that’s most people’s definition of trolling. . .you’d have to be an idiot not to agree with me.
If someone came into a thread on Affirmative Action and said “Yah, blacks are just lazy whiners who expect to sit on their asses and be handed whatever they ask for. And oh by the way, I don’t really believe that.” Well, then most folks wouldn’t be having this discussion, we’d just say that someone shouldn’t use bombastic and inflammatory rhetoric in a contentious topic that would be custom tailored to increase animosity and hijack the thread.
If then you respond by upping the absurdity and claimed "The essential lie is that blacks suffer from racism even today. Racism doesn’t mean discrimination based on race, no, it’s only racism if they castrate you and lynch you. Why are blacks using that lie? Not that I really believe that "
Well, again, people would be justified in taking that person to task for deliberately tossing out the most inflammatory bullshit possible rather than simply making their point honestly and clearly.
This is ridiculous. By this standard, anyone who ever uses exaggeration or hyperbole is a “troll.”
This is just flat out paranoid bullshit. I accused the other posters of nothing and questioned none of their motives. Disagreeing with people is not the same as calling them liars. I was arguing that that they believed a lie, not that they authored one.
I read that as he had a general gripe (posters that troll) sparked by a specific recent incident that has resulted in a current pit thread. Hence on top of wanting to keep this a hypothetical discussion in general, he was pretty much forced to refrain from pitting the said individual (again) because they already have a pit thread going on about them at the moment.
At least, that’s a paraphrase of what I took it to mean.
Yes. I do not want to feed the poster that I believe to be a troll and who is already being fed with a long ongoing Pit thread by mentioning said poster by name here as well. Sorry that such makes for a lame Pit thread but so be it.
No, I don’t think that makes this lame. But I do think it’s forced you to take conceits that hinder your argument and have now got people focused on whether or not Dio is a troll. And as someone who has unfortunately engaged this person, I completely understand doing anything necessary to refrain from doing so again in the future.
Besides, semantics ignored, I still think this is a worth while discussion even in a hypothetical sense and as I mentioned earlier, it’s certainly something I’ll try to be cognizant of in the future.
Ahem, the one time I was accused of trolling it was because i started out pissed that my daughter, a fine clarinetist, wasn’t allowed into the HS Jazz Band because, “the clarinet isn’t a jazz instrument.” After listing some several jazz clarinetists and receiving explanations why the clarinet is is not normally included in HS jazz bands, I was still convinced of my righteousness, though less pissed off. Continuing as a pissed-off dad made me a troll. Living under a bridge does not make one a troll, but it can here.
ETA: I wasn’t caught the other times.
(not really. “Angry drop” is different from “Temporarily pissed-off drop.”
Well, you have me at a disadvantage since I didn’t participate in the Israel thread, but I doubt your analogy is little more than hyperbole itself since it’s a pretty inflammatory topic that you chose to use as an analogy.
Ooooh. Well, now I know who you’re talking about. I wasn’t paying attention to that trainwreck, but now that I’ve seen it, I can’t help but find it hilarious. And I don’t know that that one wants more attention, but maybe.
faithfool, I would have listed the troll behavior as non-sequitur. . . not answering the questions presented. It’s kinda like talking to someone with ADD. Hmm, maybe they do have ADD. But they’re pretty flippant as well.
I’ve stopped now and yet the thread goes on. I can’t even look at it, or the concurrent pit thread on the same poster. Like someone said in the latter - I wish I’d seen that before sticking my hand in the crazy.
Zero hyperbole, at all. Actually, it’s a very tight analogy, all things considered.
Dio claimed that:
"There is absolutely nothing Israel can ever do, and no line it can ever cross that Americans will ever criticize. It’s the ultimate sacred cow, even in relatively liberal communities like this. Americans basically see Palestinians as evil and subhuman and deserving of extinction. Israel is never anything but a suffering martyr longing only for peace. "
Saying that Americans are genocidal racists who view Palestinians as subhuman while uncritically supporting everything Isreal does at all is actually milder than simply saying that a racial group is lazy and full of self-entitlement. At least in my view.
Likewise, the claim that anybody who says that anti-personnel rockets fired by an elected government, randomly, at civilian areas in an enemy nation is an attack is guilty of lying because it’s not an attack unless you can topple a government? That is rather close to a claim that anybody who says that there is no racism today is lying because unless the racism will kill you, it’s not racism.
The whole point was that Dio comes into inflammatory topics, posts over the top hyperbole designed to do nothing other than hijack the thread into asinine semantics that he admits he doesn’t even believe in, and to piss off ‘the other side’ by producing outrageous caricatures of positions that they don’t actually hold to begin with. Zero hyperbole on my part.
Although she may have ADD (which I’m sure if that was the case, we’d hear about it endlessly), I really don’t see her as just not answering the questions. She does, with tons of purposely (in the way that she ignores the errors pointed out to her and just continues on) wrong information and then presents her arguments as a fait accompli about the whole thing.
Usually that doesn’t bother me because it’s easy to ignore someone that does that once you realize what’s going on. It does in this case though because she’s now dominated several GD threads and posters with her schtick, as well as here in the pit. All to no avail, thus wasting the time of people who could actually be helping someone who wants to learn and not clogging up the boards with her inane, ignorant drivel.
You people have some odd definitions of “troll”. Some folks who have been members since 1999, that’s last century, have been accused of trolling.
Can you define “troll” for me, because I think it means someone who is here to stir up trouble or cause friction among members. LIke that isn’t done on a daily basis.
Some people may call me a troll because I post when drunk and make no sense. Some people call veteran posters trolls because they have an opinion the majority disagree with. Some may call new posters trolls because they ask a question most of us think is self explanatory.
None of these examples shout “troll” to me on their own. I really am insulted by the word most of the time. I can be an asshole, and a jerk and I will own that but I am not a troll, and I would bet neither are the other jerks who post stupid shit.
So, come on, let’s not attribute trollism to some people who are just assholes at the time they post.
I think that’s most people’s definition of trolling. . .you’d have to be an idiot not to agree with me.