# Why does Ann Coulter spew this... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 5, 2005, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152 "2005-01-05T04:33:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152/161 "2005-01-07T23:29:50Z")
> [@Psycho Pirate](#): > > You apparently refuse to acknowledge my point that Bush and his staff may have been refusing to dignify a question based on a rumor with a response. You apparently refuse to acknowledge that the staff’s answer wasn’t “None of your business”, it was “Bush would have been able to pass the FBI background check (which includes the drug question, ya know) during this period”. Horse, meet water. > [@](#): > > I am claiming (and I’m right) that it has never been PROVEN that our president used cocaine. I don’t know whether he did or not, but I need more than accusations before I infer guilt. No, all you need is common sense. > [@](#): > > Can you not see the president or his staff’s point? Why respond to a rumor? They never claimed to be making that point. Why do you bother with telling such a cheap falsehood? Never mind,.let’s proceed. Can \*you \* not see that it was \*not \* a “rumor” but a _question_? One which was not beneath the dignity of every other candidate to answer, even with a yes? And that every other candidate who did answer yes was not responsible for both enforcing and politically promoting a law that requires locking up people who do answer yes, for extended periods? Nope, apparently you are that blinded by your own partisanship. You’re not alone in that, sure, but that should not be a comfort. The short version: There is _only one_ reasonable interpretation of Bush’s non-answer and his staff’s evasiveness. You, and **Brutus** , are long overdue to come to grips with that. Now don’t say any longer you haven’t had it laid out right in front of your own eyes. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152/162 "2005-01-07T23:38:10Z")
> [@Psycho Pirate](#): > > I looked at the discussion. Can you not see the president or his staff’s point? Why respond to a rumor? Except that he DID respond to a rumor. And he very very easily could have said “I have never smoked cocaine”. But he didn’t. There’s a difference between: Q: Have you ever done cocaine A: My private life is none of your business and that question is beneath the dignity of the campaign and Q: You’ve admitted that you made many mistakes in your youth. Was one of them using illegal drugs? A: I did nothing that would have disqualified me from a security clearance in 1989 A’s Staff: To clarify, A is stating that he has not used drugs since 1974 A: (getting flustered) And I refused to respond to rumors about my private life By the way, can anyone provide a link to the direct quote from Michael Moore about Iraqis and founding fathers and so forth that is being so discussed? I’d like to see it in its original context. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152/163 "2005-01-07T23:41:46Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > …Now don’t say any longer you haven’t had it laid out right in front of your own eyes. No, we fully understood your weak-ass ‘logic’ before you so kindly laid if right in front of our eyes, but it still doesn’t address the point: You have no proof. At all. All you are doing is drawing an inference and getting your panties in a twist because some of us have higher standards of ‘proof’. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152/164 "2005-01-08T00:01:30Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > No, we fully understood your weak-ass ‘logic’ before you so kindly laid if right in front of our eyes, but it still doesn’t address the point: You have no proof. At all. All you are doing is drawing an inference and getting your panties in a twist because some of us have higher standards of ‘proof’. Higher standards of proof? Interesting. Did you apply them when Bush claimed there were WMDs in Iraq? Did you apply them to the claims of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth? When someone introduces themself and tells you their name, do you ask for documentation? Do you bring a portable food-sampling machine with you to verify that the entree you order at a restaurant is what it appears to be and not a plastic model? The whole POINT of “standards of proof” is that legally convicting someone of a crime is an important and solemn thing, and it’s better to let 10 guilty men go free than convict one innocent one. That’s why there are standards of proof, for legal situations. This is not a legal situation. We’re just discussing whether we think Bush used cocaine. To say that there’s a “standard of proof” is ridiculous for many reasons. Heck, why don’t you apply your “higher standard of proof” to the proposition that Bush DIDN’T use cocaine. To start with, you could take his word for it… no, wait he never DENIED using cocaine. (Higher standard of proof my ass. That’s particularly galling coming from someone like you who avoids actual intellectual discussion the way a vampire avoids sunlight.) ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152/165 "2005-01-08T00:12:19Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > …This is not a legal situation. We’re just discussing whether we think Bush used cocaine. To say that there’s a “standard of proof” is ridiculous for many reasons… Ah. You are ‘gossiping’. ‘Facts’ and ‘proof’ have no place in your little gossip circle it seems, especially not when Bush-bashing is on the line! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152/166 "2005-01-08T00:14:41Z")
**Brutus** , you need to learn about the concept of “\*circumstantial \* evidence”. Perhaps you’ve even heard of it. People have been convicted of murder using nothing but, in fact. Now, \*do \* you have a different \*reasonable \* explanation than the one laid out for you? Or is your entire position “You haven’t proven this beyond a shadow of a doubt, therefore you’re just Bush-bashing again, nyah nyah nyah”? What is so goddam precious to you about this subject? ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152/167 "2005-01-08T00:53:14Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > **Brutus** , you need to learn about the concept of “\*circumstantial \* evidence”. Perhaps you’ve even heard of it. People have been convicted of murder using nothing but, in fact. > > Now, \*do \* you have a different \*reasonable \* explanation than the one laid out for you? Or is your entire position “You haven’t proven this beyond a shadow of a doubt, therefore you’re just Bush-bashing again, nyah nyah nyah”? What is so goddam precious to you about this subject? His problem is that he actually BELIEVES the “people who use drugs are BAD BAD BAD criminals who HATE AMERICA because they FUND TERROR” business, and the idea that George W Bush, who just gets more and more wonderful in his mind as liberals criticize him more and more, could have ever used drugs does. not. compute. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152/168 "2005-01-08T01:45:25Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > You’re right, he was wrong. “He was wrong”? _That’s_ the best you can do for a guy who equates the Founding Fathers with rapists and terrorists and assassins? Gee, could we get any more limp-wristed than that? And yet, thirty seconds later, you’re willing to toss out this gem: > [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > It was one of the worst things Moore said because it showed his lack of understanding to the Iraqi resistance and its motives Call me crazy, but I think equating George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin with folks who target school buses and kill doctors is _far_ more offensive than anything Michael Moore has ever uttered. Of course, whether it’s close to anything Ann Coulter’s ever spewed is a different matter. But apparently wild-ass assertions are okay if the speaker is a Republican… ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152/169 "2005-01-08T05:12:02Z")
Oh, come on. All of this is absolutely silly. We need to get back to the real issue here–the hijack where Canada plans to invade the U.S. Pssst! Ready the moose launcher! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152/170 "2005-01-08T05:44:47Z")
> [@Kythereia](#): > > Ready the moose launcher **HA!** Ready the Burger King Moose Burger! A? Wait a damn minute. Sneaky bastards. How do you spell “A”? ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152/171 "2005-01-08T07:49:42Z")
> [@Kythereia](#): > > We need to get back to the real issue here–the hijack where Canada plans to invade the U.S. I, for one, welcome our new maple-leaf-wearing overlords. …because Primus knows they’re a lot better than the weasels we’ve got now. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152/172 "2005-01-08T10:57:44Z")
> [@Psycho Pirate](#): > > For the millionth time… > > CITE?!? Find a cite that proves I did coke, and I’ll find one that proves Bush did. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152/173 "2005-01-08T12:58:16Z")
> [@Psycho Pirate](#): > > No, I don’t. Innocent until **PROVEN** guilty. That is the standard. I’ve never denied shooting ponies and eating them. That doesn’t mean I have, though. You miss the point. You’ve probably never been asked that question, and it probably wouldn’t matter (in terms of your life goals) if people did know you shot ponies and ate them. A better illustration would be this: what if it was highly personally advantageous for people to believe that I did not shoot ponies and eat them? What would it reasonably say to you if I repeatedly and pointedly refused to answer the question? ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152/174 "2005-01-08T12:59:52Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > You (and Evil Captor) both spectacularly miss the point. It’s not about their service during Vietnam, it’s about using glowing verbage when you’re talking about your guy and slinging mud when talking about the other guy, yet continuing to whine that the Republicans are fighting dirty. It boggles the mind that you can’t see pot, kettle, black here. No, you miss the point. Or you’re trying to make a different point. Answer my question, and then we’ll talk more. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152/175 "2005-01-08T13:46:02Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Ah, the old, ‘In the absense of evidence, you must convict’ ploy. I like it! How’s that go again? “Absense of evidence is not evidence of absence.” 😉 And how in the hell did this turn into a debate on whether or not Bush used drugs? Oh yeah. I remember now. > [@Liberal](#): > > And buzzed on coke. A pointless line about an unproven rumor. Thanks **Lib** , you’re a dear. Does anybody actually have a cite proving the ole Pres did lines? If not, can we drop it? > [@rjung](#): > > I, for one, welcome our new maple-leaf-wearing overlords. As a devoted Red Wings fan, to you I say NEVER! The Leafs get too screamy over every call. They start arguing before they even know what the call is. And of course Vancouver has Bertuzzi. They’d be a good team otherwise, but not now. Calgary is too grabby. Edmonton just stinks. Montreal’s goalie is too pretty to even be playing hockey. Canada can conquer us once they get a better team…and a nuclear shield. Those things are sweet, eh? > [@CarnivorousPlant](#): > > How do you spell “A”? As I live very close to Canada, I have access to secrets those in the lower states do not. I believe it is spelled “eh.” Apparently they also worship some fellow named “Wayne Gretzky” and have no idea what bacon really is. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![detop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@detop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/detop)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152/176 "2005-01-08T14:55:42Z")
> [@Kythereia](#): > > Pssst! Ready the moose launcher! What do you want me to do with the rabid beavers and the curling stones ? ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152/177 "2005-01-08T14:58:20Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > No, you miss the point. Or you’re trying to make a different point. Answer my question, and then we’ll talk more. Yes, I’m trying to make a different point, the point I was making in the post you responded to, not your hijack about who had a better vietnam service record. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152/178 "2005-01-08T15:10:56Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Leftist Ann Coulter? Practically any randomly chosen [feminazi](http://www.livejournal.com/community/feminazis/) can give Ann a run for her money. Wait… I checked, but I couldn’t find any picture galleries. Too bad. I thought that it might kind kind of a hot site. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152/179 "2005-01-08T16:08:18Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > “He was wrong”? _That’s_ the best you can do for a guy who equates the Founding Fathers with rapists and terrorists and assassins? Gee, could we get any more limp-wristed than that? > > And yet, thirty seconds later, you’re willing to toss out this gem: > > Call me crazy, but I think equating George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin with folks who target school buses and kill doctors is _far_ more offensive than anything Michael Moore has ever uttered. > > Of course, whether it’s close to anything Ann Coulter’s ever spewed is a different matter. But apparently wild-ass assertions are okay if the speaker is a Republican… So wait a minute, you’re saying those dear Iraqi insurgents _aren’t_ the type of people who target school buses and kill doctors? What the hell do you want from me? I say he was wrong to say it, and yes made himself look like an asshole, and still its not enough, its never enough. Stick it up your ass you ditzy motherfucker. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2005, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152/180 "2005-01-08T16:11:47Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Yeah, great. It’s the worst thing he’s ever said. The point, dumbfuck, is that it isn’t even in the same league as the worst thing Ann Coulter has ever said. Do you get it now, or do you need someone to make you a chart? I don’t care, its a terrible thing to say whilst Iraqis and Americans out there are getting killed by these fuckers, for a well known personality such as Michael Moore to say they’re actually people who are comparable to such persons like the founding fathers, is deeply offending. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-ann-coulter-spew-this/283152.md?page=10)