You continue to not understand. I do not find the conclusions you cite to be convincing. I do not see strong methodologies. I see objections that have not been satisfactorily accounted for nor rebutted. You have still not provided any evidence that a post SRS is more likely to commit suicide than a pre-SRS. You have not brought anything stronger to the table, merely people who happen to say the things you agree with. Since we have actual transsexuals on records saying SRS was beneficial for them, until and unless stronger evidence for your hypothesis arrives, I cannot in good ethical conscience reject SRS as a treatment option.
I should have wrote “publicly identify”.
Thinking about it, you are right, it might help him get seperated away from the general population.
Slight hijack, but why are homosexuals segregated from the general population. I doubt they are significantly more rapey then situational-bisexual thugs. Prison rape is about sexual release and domination, not homoerotic love.
A “bear”, big, burly, and conventionally masculine in most ways may not be automatically segregated, the biggest concern is with the effeminate homosexuals who are seen as outsiders and targeted for being different and weak. It’s not that such homosexuals are more “rapey”, it’s that they’re more likely to be victims of rape. Likewise, any prisoner less able to defend himself, hence the elderly and disabled being segregated as well.
I’m not here to “tranny-bash”. (BTW, isn’t “tranny” considered to be a slur these days? Jayne County apparently got temp-banned from Facebook for talking about herself that way.)
I’ll grant that there are things about transgenderism that don’t make sense to me and come off as counter-intuitive to me. That’s my personal failing, not the failing of transgendered people.
I don’t hate Manning for being transgendered. I hate Manning for being a traitor to this country and I hate Manning for playing gender politics for sympathy.
No, I understand perfectly. There is no convincing evidence that SRS improves the lives of transsexuals in any objective way. This is a highly politically incorrect conclusion. In a conflict between political correctness and facts, some people choose political correctness…
I don’t usually provide evidence for statements I have not made.
This, of course, is quite straightforwardly false. I’m the one citing actual studies, and reviews of studies, and you are the one citing unsupported opinions from those who think, without evidence, that SRS works in any objective sense.
The eternal refuge of quack medicine - testimonials outweigh science.
“There’s no evidence that coffee enemas cure cancer, but actual cancer patients say it was beneficial for them, so we cannot reject coffee enemas as a treatment option!”
Regards,
Shodan
You seem to have a very odd fixation on this, and weren’t you the one I caught misinterpreting the 2011 report? That time in the “Comments” thread?
Would you like to explain why you cherry-picked those papers, and didn’t do a broad review? Like I did when I did this review?
See citation above. Suicide rates are not the sole metric by which any course of treatment should be determined, as my citation above says. Improving quality of life is very important for transsexuals and it is largely subjective - by definition a large portion of our quality of life is how we actually feel about life.
I cannot find any such post, so I withdraw the question.
Actually, I found it: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15265182&postcount=245
The mistake you made with that study is that the original poll question did not specify whether the suicide attempts were before or after surgery. Your quote from page 82 is based on the result of the question asked on page 217:
and that is the only place in the poll where the question is asked. Occam’s Razor seems to say that all this indicates that those who have severe gender dysphoria - severe enough to seek out SRS - have a higher risk of suicide.
No, I’m not aware of the differences. I’ve been to neither.
Let’s talk about cites - one that you have used several times on this subject, from your posting history.
I contacted the Guardian last year to ask them for their bibliography of the 100 studies. They referred me to someone at the University of Birmingham who carried out this study - it went to a dead e-mail address. When I contacted the Guardian a second time, and a third time, telling them this they didn’t reply to me. I also sent mail to Chris Hyde, who was cited in the Guardian’s page, and received no reply (I couldn’t verify conclusively that they still worked there; one web page said they did, another said they had left). So I searched Google Scholar specifically for this study, and have come up with nothing - no trace of its existence.
Perhaps it’s not valid of you to continue to report a “study” from the Guardian where there appears to have been no paper published, no peer review as far as we can tell, no other transgender researcher (including practicing physicians and psychiatrists) who I know can find the details of it, and where the bibliography, study methods and criteria, sources of error, etc. don’t seem to be publicly available?
Of course you aren’t.
This is an interesting study in perspective. Personally, I think Manning’s status as an American hero and unjustly confined political prisoner is being tainted for the same reasons you state.
This is the the exact thing about all the Shodan posts on this subject.
Absolutely. It was not just the best thing for me. It was the only thing. The alternative would have been death. It was the only thing that could make life livable.
I believe it’s not just the penal system. Thais are permanently classified on their national ID cards and in their passports as whichever gender they’re born as. This has caused some headaches for some when traveling.