# Why does nobody care about Russia? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 16, 2016, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-nobody-care-about-russia/772203 "2016-11-16T23:48:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-nobody-care-about-russia/772203/21 "2016-11-17T16:44:42Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Am I taking crazy pills? Are those prescription? Or are they available over the counter? I’m not gonna need to find a guy, am I? Because those sound like the ideal way to get thru the next 4 years. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-nobody-care-about-russia/772203/22 "2016-11-17T16:55:38Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Take it up with the various US intelligence agencies. > > [Joint Statement from the Department Of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security | Homeland Security](https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-department-homeland-security-and-office-director-national) > > > [@](#): > > > > The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like [DCLeaks.com](http://DCLeaks.com) and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities. Nothing there indicates the Russians did anything. If I issue a statement that I am confident Hillary may have _personally_ directed the physical attacks on the Trump supporters, it would just be opinion, not proof. To make a case one has to show that something happened, how it happened, and prove X perpetrated it. > [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > Alexander Lukashenko (who’s not Russian, but who is a generally fairly reliable Russian ally and probably the most anti-western leader in Europe) said shortly after the election that although he had endorsed Trump, he wouldn’t be a reliable ally for Russia or for anyone else. > > He’s right: Trump has made a career out of lying to his wives, creditors, customers, and now voters, so you can’t exactly count on him to keep any promises to Russia. Well, at least with Trump they can dismantle the recent mass preparations for war caused by Hillary’s dumb adventurism; Russians are deathly scared of Nuclear War. Of course Americans can say ‘_You will be perfectly safe so long as you give in on all points and do life our way as we tell you too_.’ as usual, but not everyone can roll over. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-nobody-care-about-russia/772203/23 "2016-11-17T18:21:14Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > So even the Russians are probably saying “oh shit, what have wee done”. Current reports suggest that that’s not what they’re saying at all. And as for Russian governmental interference in the US election there’s not one iota of evidence that it happened, which is why you’re hearing very little about it in the media now. It was a device used by the Democrats (and their allies in intelligence) to try to discredit Trump. It didn’t work and now it’s been dropped. ---
**Author:** ![riffraffselbow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7c8e57/32.png) [@riffraffselbow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/riffraffselbow)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-nobody-care-about-russia/772203/24 "2016-11-17T19:21:35Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > So, I guess your reaction to 9/11 was, “Big deal. The US blows up other people’s buildings all the time.” > > Right? Absolutely. 3000 people is a drop in the bucket. I’ve seen estimates that say 9/11 cost the US $2T, but mostly that seems like a lot of stock market funny money accounting and lost revenue rather than costs. I support Trump because he’s less likely to lead us into a war with Russia. To paraphrase some Frenchmen, Why Die for Talinn? ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-nobody-care-about-russia/772203/25 "2016-11-17T19:26:02Z")
I seem to recall that, 4 years ago, Mitt Romney was widely mocked by the Left for saying that Russia was America’s biggest foe. President Obama smirked, “The Eighties called- they want their foreign policy back.” Remember the giant RESET button Hillary brought out 8 years ago, suggesting that Bush had ruined relations with Russia, and that we were going to be friendlier now? After 8 years of claiming Russia no longer posed a threat, Obama and Hillary couldn’t very well argue that Trump was a traitor for cozying up to Putin, could they? ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-nobody-care-about-russia/772203/26 "2016-11-17T20:06:21Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > You don’t think a foreign power dictating US policy is something to be concerned about? Odd. Which part of US policy did Russia dictate? Releasing a few untampered documents that one of the criminals up for election doesn’t want released isn’t “dictating US policy”. Neither of the candidates had any say in US policy at the time, and telling the truth about one of them is hardly “dictating” anything. I’m as pissed as anyone that Trump won, but let’s not go spreading lies. He won fair and square (assuming gerrymandering and voter suppression laws are “fair”, as they have been considered since 1789 – and either way, Americans made those laws, not Russia). ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-nobody-care-about-russia/772203/27 "2016-11-17T20:15:08Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > What’s to care about. Russia isn’t an enemy, it’s a pronto-capitalist country… I don’t think they are being particularly quick about the conversion. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-nobody-care-about-russia/772203/28 "2016-11-17T20:41:21Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Take it up with the various US intelligence agencies. US intelligence agencies have something far short of a flawless track record. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-nobody-care-about-russia/772203/29 "2016-11-17T22:26:35Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Current reports suggest that that’s not what they’re saying at all. And as for Russian governmental interference in the US election there’s not one iota of evidence that it happened, which is why you’re hearing very little about it in the media now. It was a device used by the Democrats (and their allies in intelligence) to try to discredit Trump. It didn’t work and now it’s been dropped. What current reports? Also why do you say there is no evidence? Why did the agencies come to the same conclusion, and why do you expect them to publicize national security information? The acting NSA chief said Russia hacked the US elections. > **[The NSA chief says Russia hacked the 2016 election. Congress must investigate.](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/will-congress-investigate-russian-interference-2016-campaign/)** > > It's up to Capitol Hill to protect American democracy. > [@](#): > > Despite all the news being generated by the change of power underway in Washington, there is one story this week that deserves top priority: Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. On Tuesday, the director of the National Security Agency, Admiral Michael Rogers, was asked about the WikiLeaks release of hacked information during the campaign, and he said, “This was a conscious effort by a nation-state to attempt to achieve a specific effect.” He added, “This was not something that was done casually. This was not something that was done by chance. This was not a target that was selected purely arbitrarily.” Do you and the other conservatives feel you know more about this issue than the NSA chief? If so, why do you believe that? ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2016, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-nobody-care-about-russia/772203/30 "2016-11-20T08:53:35Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Did you mean “proto-capitalist,” or have you invented a sorely-needed new word referring to former totalitarian states that went capitalist too damn fast. I’d like to think so - but sadly not. Yep, proto. Having said that, Russia is in a kind of Downton Abbey period, that early democracy/early capitalism phase where _strong leaders_ either do, or don’t, hold the whole together. Another version is Tonto-capitalism. That one involves a lot of horses and chasing indignant folks off their land 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-nobody-care-about-russia/772203.md?page=1)