# Why does Santa visit Muslim countries --- and why is he still alive? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 25, 2007, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165 "2007-12-25T00:20:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/1 "2007-12-25T00:20:23Z")
Have you taken a look at the Norad Tracks Santa site [here](http://www.noradsanta.org/). They have cameras that show Santa flying over the middle east and the Pyramids in Egypt and a voice-over says Egyptian children should be in bed? Why??? Are they not almost all Muslim in Egypt? According to the Norad Map on that site, Santa has visited a number of Muslim countries and left gifts. Surely by now, someone would have shot him down with a triumphant cry of _Allahu Achbar_!, God is Great. Or at least shot him as he lands to leave presents. And are not Muslim kids puzzled as to why they are getting these gifts? Have any of them been strangled by their parents for apostasy? Recently, a teenage Muslim girl in Toronto was strangled by her father for refusing to wear a headscarf. So accepting presents from a western, Christian symbol would easily qualify. Is Santa aware of how much he is endangering the lives of these children? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/2 "2007-12-25T00:21:12Z")
Give it a rest, dude. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/3 "2007-12-25T00:26:41Z")
Clearly, all the Muslims have been bad, and Santa is staying up out of SAM range. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/4 "2007-12-25T00:38:58Z")
Hmm, looks like we’re going to have to have another rule made specifically for a single poster: “Only one ‘Bah-humbug’ thread can be posted by **Valteron** per holiday season.” ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/5 "2007-12-25T00:39:05Z")
[I assert that it isn’t Santa who needs to fear, it is we who need to fear](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb-Mce9VpmY). ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/6 "2007-12-25T00:40:17Z")
Oh, for fuck’s sake, go take some Immodium AD or something and stop shitting this crap all over the board. Signed, An atheist who wishes you were on the other side. ---
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/7 "2007-12-25T00:43:33Z")
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.] Oh, for fuck’s sake, go take some Immodium AD or something and stop shitting this crap all over the board. [/QUOTE] Now if I said something like that outside the BBQ Pit I wonder how long it would take the moderator to remind me that personal attacks and insults are not allowed? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/8 "2007-12-25T00:43:56Z")
[QUOTE=Valteron] Have you taken a look at the Norad Tracks Santa site [here](http://www.noradsanta.org/). They have cameras that show Santa flying over the middle east and the Pyramids in Egypt and a voice-over says Egyptian children should be in bed? Why??? Are they not almost all Muslim in Egypt? According to the Norad Map on that site, Santa has visited a number of Muslim countries and left gifts. Surely by now, someone would have shot him down with a triumphant cry of _Allahu Achbar_!, God is Great. Or at least shot him as he lands to leave presents. And are not Muslim kids puzzled as to why they are getting these gifts? Have any of them been strangled by their parents for apostasy? Recently, a teenage Muslim girl in Toronto was strangled by her father for refusing to wear a headscarf. So accepting presents from a western, Christian symbol would easily qualify. Is Santa aware of how much he is endangering the lives of these children? [/QUOTE] Amusing but for the implication that all Muslims are terrorist assholes who shoot anyone who is not them on sight. You ventured beyond “all religion is bunk” and landed squarely on “I’m a racist fuck.” ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/9 "2007-12-25T00:46:26Z")
There are about 14 million Christians in Egypt, in case you actually gave a shit (I doubt it.) Most of them are Coptics. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/10 "2007-12-25T00:47:08Z")
[QUOTE=Valteron] Now if I said something like that outside the BBQ Pit I wonder how long it would take the moderator to remind me that personal attacks and insults are not allowed? :dubious: [/QUOTE] It is neither. It is an opinion, however coarsely stated, of your posts as of late. Have a problem with it? Report it. ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/11 "2007-12-25T00:47:37Z")
[QUOTE=Valteron] Now if I said something like that outside the BBQ Pit I wonder how long it would take the moderator to remind me that personal attacks and insults are not allowed? :dubious: [/QUOTE] Actually, he didn’t call you names, he spoke as to the quality of your posts, and called you on your attitude, if gruffly. That is allowed, even outside the Pit, I do believe. IANAMod though, so I can’t say what they’d think if they read his post. ---
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/12 "2007-12-25T00:48:04Z")
[QUOTE=Chefguy] Amusing but for the implication that all Muslims are terrorist assholes who shoot anyone who is not them on sight. You ventured beyond “all religion is bunk” and landed squarely on “I’m a racist fuck.” [/QUOTE] Since it is all right to call me a “racist fuck” outside the Pit, I take it that I must have missed something in the rule about personal insults. Is there a part that says they are OK if directed at me? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/13 "2007-12-25T00:50:32Z")
[QUOTE=Valteron] Since it is all right to call me a “racist fuck” outside the Pit, I take it that I must have missed something in the rule about personal insults. Is there a part that says they are OK if directed at me? [/QUOTE] I apologize. I could have called you a racist pig or a racist asshole or racist cretin; but I didn’t, and for that I’m sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/14 "2007-12-25T00:50:52Z")
[QUOTE=Valteron] Since it is all right to call me a “racist fuck” outside the Pit, I take it that I must have missed something in the rule about personal insults. Is there a part that says they are OK if directed at me? [/QUOTE] If you feel someone crossed the line with a post, **REPORT IT**! But, be forewarned, those who do not engage those who they feel are crossing the line and being a jerk, and do not throw fuel on the fire are the ones who get the Moderator’s attention and kind consideration, even if they don’t agree with you in the end. ---
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/15 "2007-12-25T00:51:06Z")
[QUOTE=friedo] There are about 14 million Christians in Egypt, in case you actually gave a shit (I doubt it.) Most of them are Coptics. [/QUOTE] I knew one of you would come back with that detail about the Copts, of whom I am well aware, which is why I did not say all Egyptians are Muslim. Now, do me a favour and research the kind of treatment Copts have been getting in Egypt under Islam, lately. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/16 "2007-12-25T00:51:55Z")
Instead of whining about people’s reactions to your thread, why don’t you consider what is prompting those reactions, hmm? ---
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/17 "2007-12-25T00:55:40Z")
[QUOTE=Zabali\_Clawbane] If you feel someone crossed the line with a post, **REPORT IT**! But, be forewarned, those who do not engage those who they feel are crossing the line and being a jerk, and do not throw fuel on the fire are the ones who get the Moderator’s attention and kind consideration, even if they don’t agree with you in the end. [/QUOTE] It is to laugh! As a black friend of mine used to say, “I’d rather be TWO n----gers in a Mississippi jail” than rely on the moderators to show me any kind consideration. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/18 "2007-12-25T00:57:26Z")
No problem; I’ve reported it for you. I sincerely hope this thread gets all the attention if merits from them. ---
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/19 "2007-12-25T00:58:19Z")
[QUOTE=Chefguy] I apologize. I could have called you a racist pig or a racist asshole or racist cretin; but I didn’t, and for that I’m sorry. [/QUOTE] I was not aware that Islam was a race. I thought it was a religion. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/20 "2007-12-25T01:02:01Z")
[QUOTE=Valteron] I knew one of you would come back with that detail about the Copts, of whom I am well aware, which is why I did not say all Egyptians are Muslim. [/quote] No, but you did ask it. > [@Valteron](#): > > Are they not almost all Muslim in Egypt? I don’t know what your definition of “almost all” is, but I don’t think 70% qualifies. The majority, sure, even a great majority. But “almost all?” No, that’s like 90 or 95%. The Copts themselves make up nearly 20% of the population. > [@](#): > > Now, do me a favour and research the kind of treatment Copts have been getting in Egypt under Islam, lately. I’m well aware of it. Why don’t you tell me WTF that has to do with Santa Claus? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165.md?page=2)