# Why does Santa visit Muslim countries --- and why is he still alive? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 25, 2007, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165 "2007-12-25T00:20:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/21 "2007-12-25T01:02:49Z")
[QUOTE=Valteron] It is to laugh! As a black friend of mine used to say, “I’d rather be TWO n----gers in a Mississippi jail” than rely on the moderators to show me any kind consideration. [/QUOTE] Ahhh, yeess. Of course, how silly of me. The moderators _are_ all out to get you, and only you, aren’t they? :dubious: WRT **Chefguy** ’s post: Many people believe [**bigot**](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigot) and racist are synonymous, when they aren’t necessarily? I am not sure if you are a bigot as far as Muslims are concerned, or if you are just an anti-Christian zealot myself. (But then again that could be considered a form of bigotry too.) ETA: And I’m Pagan, for the record, at that. Yeah, yeah, still believe in some form of Magical Sky Pixie, just with Male and Female aspects… ---
**Author:** ![fisha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@fisha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fisha)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/22 "2007-12-25T01:04:05Z")
[QUOTE=Valteron] Since it is all right to call me a “racist fuck” outside the Pit, I take it that I must have missed something in the rule about personal insults. Is there a part that says they are OK if directed at me? [/QUOTE] Isn’t this the reaction you were hoping for? Weren’t you trying to be an incendiary jerk? ---
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/23 "2007-12-25T01:08:50Z")
[QUOTE=Zabali\_Clawbane] Ahhh, yeess. Of course, how silly of me. The moderators _are_ all out to get you, and only you, aren’t they? :dubious: [/QUOTE] I do not remember saying the mods were out to “get” me, and I do not remember saying “only” me. I believe you heard that coming from the straw man you have been beating up. I said I did not expect “kind consideration” from them. If you can show me examples of “kind consideration” they have extensded me, I stand corrected. ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/24 "2007-12-25T01:12:17Z")
[QUOTE=Valteron] I do not remember saying the mods were out to “get” me, and I do not remember saying “only” me. I believe you heard that coming from the straw man you have been beating up. I said I did not expect “kind consideration” from them. If you can show me examples of “kind consideration” they have extensded me, I stand corrected. [/QUOTE] Show me where you have ever given them a chance? Your actions speak volumes, you’ve ASSumed they wouldn’t, and that is _your_ truth. People can’t do good if you don’t ever give them a chance to do so. Duh! ETA: The previous post of yours that I had quoted and responded to, showed a lot of paranoia, and false assumption of facts, while lacking any evidence to prove they would behave in such a way towards you specifically. ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/25 "2007-12-25T01:17:56Z")
[QUOTE=Zabali\_Clawbane] \ you’ve ASSumed they wouldn’t, and that is _your_ truth. \ [/QUOTE] I was obliquely referencing the aphorism “When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me.” in the quoted bit above. Sometimes we all could stand to be reminded of such ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/26 "2007-12-25T01:19:21Z")
[QUOTE=Zabali\_Clawbane] Show me where you have ever given them a chance? Your actions speak volumes, you’ve ASSumed they wouldn’t, and that is _your_ truth. People can’t do good if you don’t ever give them a chance to do so. Duh! ETA: The previous post of yours that I had quoted and responded to, showed a lot of paranoia, and false assumption of facts, while lacking any evidence to prove they would behave in such a way towards you specifically. [/QUOTE] So far I have been called a “racist fuck”, a “racist asshole” and an “incendiary jerk” outside the BBQ Pit. I may have my faults, and I am the first to admit them. But I doubt if I have used such language very often (if at all) outside the Pit, where it is allowed. You might find one or two examples in hundreds of postings over the years where I have done so. . . . . . . . . And the mods would warn me not to use such language. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/27 "2007-12-25T01:22:15Z")
[QUOTE=Valteron] I may have my faults, and I am the first to admit them. [/QUOTE] Would a list be too much to ask? 😉 BTW, it’s not the language that’s the problem. Fuck, fuck, fuckitty fuck. You can swear all you like, you just can’t swear _at_. ---
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/28 "2007-12-25T01:24:04Z")
[QUOTE=Zabali\_Clawbane] I was obliquely referencing the aphorism “When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me.” in the quoted bit above. Sometimes we all could stand to be reminded of such ideas. [/QUOTE] Gee, I never noticed your use of ASS at the beginning of that word. :dubious: Duuuuuhhhh! Lilke t’anks for explaining it, lady! :rolleyes: Somebody once quoted that business about ASS and U and ME, and said we should never assume anything. I replied “So every morning when you get up to go to work, you phone the bus company to ask if the buses are running, correct? You can’t just assume you woulod have heard if there was going to be a strike, right?” ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/29 "2007-12-25T01:26:45Z")
Acting in good faith, and not prodding the proverbial hornet’s nest is also an intelligent way to foster good will from the mods. Your ideas have some interest in there, but you get in people’s faces and ram it down their throats and display histrionics in the face of the ocean’s tide washing over you. You’re eroding yourself more than they are. If you really hold the ideas, why scream when people state their ideas in response? What good does it bring you, to be so confrontational, so hostile? If you want to be heard, calming down and realizing that others are going to respond by speaking their veiwpoints, will bring more people who will listen (if not agree) instead of people who are only coming to watch you jump up and down and yell. Do you see what I am saying? ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/30 "2007-12-25T01:28:26Z")
[QUOTE=Valteron] Gee, I never noticed your use of ASS at the beginning of that word. :dubious: Duuuuuhhhh! Lilke t’anks for explaining it, lady! :rolleyes: Somebody once quoted that business about ASS and U and ME, and said we should never assume anything. I replied “So every morning when you get up to go to work, you phone the bus company to ask if the buses are running, correct? You can’t just assume you woulod have heard if there was going to be a strike, right?” [/QUOTE] Hey now, I’ve been mostly polite to you, spoken to you as an equal, someone capable of comprehending the points I am making. Are you, or are you not? :dubious: If you are, then you know that you have taken the aphorism out of context and twisted it in an effort to goad me. If you are not, well, have my pity… ---
**Author:** ![fisha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@fisha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fisha)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/31 "2007-12-25T01:31:45Z")
I thought we were pissed about Santa, or Muslims, or Coptic persecution or something. Damnit, what have we got our undies in a bunch about tonight? Oh, that’s right… Undermoderation and people being meanies. While truly being outraged at Santa’s lack of diplomacy. Go back into the kitchen little lady, and make me a drink while you’re there. ---
**Author:** ![Mindfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindfield/32/19759_2.png) [@Mindfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mindfield)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/32 "2007-12-25T01:31:55Z")
It would appear that someone here has a very impressive collection of coal. Merry Christmas anyway. Osanta bin Clausin should be by soon with another one to add to the pile. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/33 "2007-12-25T01:43:00Z")
> [@Valteron](#): > > According to the Norad Map on that site, Santa has visited a number of Muslim countries and left gifts. Surely by now, someone would have shot him down with a triumphant cry of Allahu Achbar!, God is Great. Or at least shot him as he lands to leave presents. I’m literally furious with rage. No, really, that wasn’t funny. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/34 "2007-12-25T01:45:04Z")
About 10% of Egypt’s population is Coptic Christian. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/35 "2007-12-25T02:31:34Z")
My impression was that the OP was a clumsy attempt to salvage the “Christmas is a Fraud” thread. The idea was that someone would come along and say, “But Santa Claus isn’t a Christian icon, so your point is wrong…” Then OP would say, “Aha! See? I was right after all in that other thread.” But nobody took the bait because the “satire” wasn’t good enough to take seriously, just as the assumption that readers of this MB are like naive children gathered around a fire who need to be informed by OP about something they already know. ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/36 "2007-12-25T03:13:42Z")
When I was a wee lass the grownups told me that Santa Claus delivered presents to all the children of the world, not just the Christian ones. Maybe Santa is just braver than his nonfictional counterparts, who only visit Iraq, for example, in complete secrecy out of fear for their own safety. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/37 "2007-12-25T03:36:31Z")
[Red sleigh down, we have a red sleigh down.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Sleigh_Down) ---
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/38 "2007-12-25T03:59:04Z")
1- As it is Christmas Eve, I imagine even our tireless Mods may have other things going on. 2- I wanted to post here before it got locked, as it will. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Griffin-Kentzel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_griffin-kentzel/32/14787_2.png) [@Larry\_Griffin-Kentzel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Griffin-Kentzel)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165/39 "2007-12-25T04:50:21Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Larry Borgia** :_ > > Give it a rest, dude. **Valteron** , heed this advice if you value your posting privileges. **Cajun Man** for the SDMB [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-santa-visit-muslim-countries-and-why-is-he-still-alive/431165.md?page=1)