# Why Does the U.S. Military Hate America? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 4, 2006, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-u-s-military-hate-america/379048 "2006-11-04T01:40:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-u-s-military-hate-america/379048/1 "2006-11-04T01:40:29Z")
No link yet, but apparently the Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corp Times and the Air Force Times are running an editorial calling for the firing of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. It is to run in Monday’s editions, one day before the national elections and less than a week after George Bush said that Rumsfeld would stay through the end of the Bush term. This is an unbelievable slap to the face of Bush from the voice of the American soldier. They claim that Rumsfeld has lost the confidence of the military leadership, and needs to be replaced. Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity must be shitting their pants right now trying to figure out how to respond to this. ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-u-s-military-hate-america/379048/2 "2006-11-04T01:44:47Z")
Pretty damn cool, if it’s true. Is there at least a link to whatever harbinger story must be out there? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-u-s-military-hate-america/379048/3 "2006-11-04T01:46:23Z")
I just heard it on Olbermann’s show, but no online news story yet. ---
**Author:** ![uglybeech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/82dd89/32.png) [@uglybeech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/uglybeech)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-u-s-military-hate-america/379048/4 "2006-11-04T01:54:02Z")
> [@](#): > > Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corp Times and the Air Force Times I’m going to display my ignorance of the military. But are these as “official” or representative of the miltary as they sound? ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-u-s-military-hate-america/379048/5 "2006-11-04T01:54:32Z")
[http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/648](http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/648) Just confirming what I heard, but here you go. ---
**Author:** ![uglybeech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/82dd89/32.png) [@uglybeech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/uglybeech)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-u-s-military-hate-america/379048/6 "2006-11-04T01:59:38Z")
_Sweeet_…but the Republicans are still going to sweep. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-u-s-military-hate-america/379048/7 "2006-11-04T02:01:26Z")
[QUOTE=uglybeech] I’m going to display my ignorance of the military. But are these as “official” or representative of the miltary as they sound? [/QUOTE] They are all part of the [Army Times Publishing Company](http://www.atpco.com/index.html), which is owned by newspaper conglomerate Gannett. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-u-s-military-hate-america/379048/8 "2006-11-04T02:03:22Z")
[QUOTE=uglybeech] I’m going to display my ignorance of the military. But are these as “official” or representative of the miltary as they sound? [/QUOTE] They are privately held, and hold no official status at all, but they are widely read by the military and are distributed almost exclusively to military personnel. ---
**Author:** ![Valgard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Valgard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valgard)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-u-s-military-hate-america/379048/9 "2006-11-04T02:24:01Z")
Here’s a copy of the article: [http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/foreigndesk/detail?blogid=16&entry\_id=10582](http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/foreigndesk/detail?blogid=16&entry_id=10582) ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-u-s-military-hate-america/379048/10 "2006-11-04T03:34:16Z")
Well, rather blindingly obvious analysis, but at least it’ll be widely distributed to, and hopefully read by, what must be the Republicans’ most core of core constituencies, besides the fundies (who answer to a higher power, of course, and don’t need to read the news). ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-u-s-military-hate-america/379048/11 "2006-11-04T03:38:40Z")
[QUOTE=Loopydude] besides the fundies (who answer to a higher power, of course, and don’t need to read the news). [/QUOTE] higher power = gay prostitutes and/or drug dealers? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-u-s-military-hate-america/379048/12 "2006-11-04T03:40:34Z")
I dunno. Which one best describes James Dobson? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-u-s-military-hate-america/379048/13 "2006-11-04T04:55:59Z")
[QUOTE=Tapioca Dextrin] higher power = gay prostitutes and/or drug dealers? 😕 [/QUOTE] Well, Jeff Gannon wrote for a newspaper, so maybe they’ll read it after all. ---
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-u-s-military-hate-america/379048/14 "2006-11-04T06:46:27Z")
> [@The Editorial](#): > > “It is one thing for the majority of Americans to think Rumsfeld has failed. But when the nation’s current military leaders start to break publicly with their defense secretary, then it is clear that he is losing control of the institution he ostensibly leads.” The question should be why does Bushco hate America? Or why does **Lamar Mundane** hate America? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-u-s-military-hate-america/379048/15 "2006-11-04T13:39:35Z")
[QUOTE=Loopydude] Well, rather blindingly obvious analysis, but at least it’ll be widely distributed to, and hopefully read by, what must be the Republicans’ most core of core constituencies, besides the fundies (who answer to a higher power, of course, and don’t need to read the news). [/QUOTE] And often can’t. Talk radio works for them for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-u-s-military-hate-america/379048/16 "2006-11-04T15:09:01Z")
This may not be a much of a big deal after all. According to [this CNN story,](http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/03/rumsfeld.resign/) this is the _2nd time_ the publication has called for his resignation. I guess we all know what an impact it had the first time. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-u-s-military-hate-america/379048/17 "2006-11-04T19:24:26Z")
Can Congress remove a Cabinet member? If so, the timing is suspicious _and_ perhaps appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-u-s-military-hate-america/379048/18 "2006-11-04T19:33:41Z")
[QUOTE=Boyo Jim] This may not be a much of a big deal after all. According to [this CNN story,](http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/03/rumsfeld.resign/) this is the _2nd time_ the publication has called for his resignation. [/QUOTE] If the story has it right, the first time, the Army Times did not actually specifically call for Rumsfeld’s resignation or dismissal. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-u-s-military-hate-america/379048/19 "2006-11-04T20:04:07Z")
[QUOTE=Zoe] Can Congress remove a Cabinet member? [/QUOTE] Interesting question… I’m not sure. But they can make his/her life miserable and essentialy force him out of office if they push hard enough on investigations. And Rumsfeld has to be pretty vulnerable. I couldn’t find any poll numbers, but he can’t have any higher numbers than Bush. Question is, who would take his place? ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-u-s-military-hate-america/379048/20 "2006-11-04T20:39:41Z")
[QUOTE=uglybeech] _Sweeet_…but the Republicans are still going to sweep. [/QUOTE] Every crime they commit under a rug? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-u-s-military-hate-america/379048.md?page=2)