# Why does the United Negro College fund feel the need to lie so egregiously? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 7, 2009, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018 "2009-06-07T16:15:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018/41 "2009-06-07T20:28:59Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Really? Perhaps you missed this part. No, I didn’t miss that part. It says innovations. I doesn’t say inventions. Who invented movies, Rnatb? Since that question is unanswerable in short form, would you object to movies being listed among a brief summary of Woodville Latham’s innovations? Especially a list paid for by the word (or space-restricted)? I wouldn’t. They certainly wouldn’t be the same without him. That’s all this list is saying. Again, if you can prove that an African American had nothing to do with one of these items, I’ll change my mind. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018/42 "2009-06-07T20:30:39Z")
What’s more Negroes invented people! In Africa! Whitey is a defective model adapted to poorer sunlight climates. Whitey is so not wanting to pay royalties that Whitey made up a fictitious Jew God as a “creator” and then charges Negroes royalties to worship this Jew God in order get elected to any political office. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018/43 "2009-06-07T20:31:02Z")
The part I find funny is that some of the invented or innovated stuff is almost embarrassing to brag about. Yeah, clever or useful or somewhat better than what came before, but not the kind of of invention or innovation that makes you slap your head and say “wow, what a freaking genius this guy is !” Least they left the pet rock and chea pet out of the list. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018/44 "2009-06-07T20:38:29Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Oh gimme a break, it’s a small bit of cheerleading from a group that was marginalized and shit on for a few hundred years. It’s not an “egregious lie.” \ It wasn’t lies ! It was just… bullshit. \ ---
**Author:** ![Fantome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Fantome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fantome)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018/45 "2009-06-07T20:39:03Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Again, if you can prove that an African American had nothing to do with one of these items, I’ll change my mind. You skipped over my post. I’ll break it down for you again: \*" **A mind** is responsible for the traffic light… hairbrush… the fact that **each and every** one of the wonderful innovations mentioned here came from the mind. **The mind of an African-American.**"\* A mind is responsible for the hairbrush. The hairbrush is a wonderful innovation. The wonderful innovation - “the hairbrush” - came from the mind of an African-American. An African American invented the hairbrush. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018/46 "2009-06-07T20:39:57Z")
What a waste it is to lose one’s mind. Or not to have a mind is very wasteful. How true that is. [/Dan Quayle] ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018/47 "2009-06-07T20:40:15Z")
Also, the NYT is apparently violating their own advertising policy by publishing that ad. “The Times may decline to accept advertising that is misleading, inaccurate or fraudulent; that makes unfair competitive claims; or that fails to comply with its standards of decency and dignity.” ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018/48 "2009-06-07T20:44:21Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I fail to see the connection between being marginalized and shit on and publishing factually inaccurate claims in order to drum up donations. Calling it a small bit of cheerleading is fine (although I wouldn’t describe a full page ad in the NYT as such). > > Excusing the inaccurate portions on the grounds that African-Americans have been getting the shaft, however, is unnecessary and wrong. That would be a good point and I would agree with you if they were lying, but I have not been shown that they are lying. > [@Fantome](#): > > You skipped over my post. I’ll break it down for you again: I didn’t skip it, you just made a stupid point that I’ve already addressed. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018/49 "2009-06-07T20:46:04Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Also, the NYT is apparently violating their own advertising policy by publishing that ad. > > “The Times may decline to accept advertising that is misleading, inaccurate or fraudulent; that makes unfair competitive claims; or that fails to comply with its standards of decency and dignity.” Or maybe _the editors of the New York Times_, to whom I lend a lot more respect and authority than sdmb poster Carol Stream, did not find it to be fraudulent, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018/50 "2009-06-07T20:50:13Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Or maybe _the editors of the New York Times_, to whom I lend a lot more respect and authority than sdmb poster Carol Stream, did not find it to be fraudulent, etc. Oh, it’s definitely misleading and inaccurate, and borderline fraudulent. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018/51 "2009-06-07T20:53:38Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Oh, it’s definitely misleading and inaccurate, and borderline fraudulent. Because you say so. Gotcha. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018/52 "2009-06-07T20:54:00Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Or maybe _the editors of the New York Times_, to whom I lend a lot more respect and authority than sdmb poster Carol Stream, did not find it to be fraudulent, etc. Maybe they weren’t paying attention. Our esteemed mods get rid of anything that doesn’t fit the Dope’s policies, but sometimes they’re asleep and a reported thread stands for several hours until one wakes up. And certainly reports help speed up their work. I’ve seen many times people complaining “how can THIS not have been fixed yet?” when they hadn’t called Maintenance to fix it - perhaps the editors don’t really check every single ad unless someone says “isn’t this one strange?” ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018/53 "2009-06-07T21:01:00Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Because you say so. Gotcha. No, not because I say so, but because a large part of the ad is inaccurate, at best. Since you seem fixated about the hairbrush, let’s have a cite that an African-American “innovated” it? ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018/54 "2009-06-07T21:03:02Z")
I seen a house fly. I seen a horse fly. Well I even seen a dragon fly. But I be done seen about everything, when I see someone claim the editors of the New York fucking Times don’t even look at the ads they place. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018/55 "2009-06-07T21:04:57Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Also, the NYT is apparently violating their own advertising policy by publishing that ad. > > “The Times may decline to accept advertising that is misleading, inaccurate or fraudulent; that makes unfair competitive claims; or that fails to comply with its standards of decency and dignity.” No, they aren’t. They just say that they have the option to do so if they want to. Apparently, this time they let it slide. Maybe because they felt the cause excused the bullshit. Or they didn’t want to look like racists if the UNCF threw a public fit over their refusal. Or maybe they just didn’t care - how many times have newspapers published stories debunked on Snopes ? They’ve got paper to sell, a deadline to meet, it’s a fast world ! ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018/56 "2009-06-07T21:07:12Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > No, not because I say so, but because a large part of the ad is inaccurate, at best. > > Since you seem fixated about the hairbrush, let’s have a cite that an African-American “innovated” it? [Here](http://www.women-inventors.com/Lyda-Newman.asp), dildo. Since you obviously didn’t even look, I almost suspect you don’t want any of this stuff to be true. ---
**Author:** ![Fantome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Fantome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fantome)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018/57 "2009-06-07T21:10:04Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > I didn’t skip it, you just made a stupid point that I’ve already addressed. You didn’t address it. Why don’t you tell me how my point is stupid? > [@](#): > > Because you say so. Gotcha. Or because others have already posted why they’re those things, at a minimum. > [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Since you seem fixated about the hairbrush, let’s have a cite that an African-American “innovated” it? Your giving him wiggle room. The ad claims the hairbrush **is** an innovation- from the mind of an African-American. > [@Cisco](#): > > But I be done seen about everything, when I see someone claim the editors of the New York fucking Times don’t even look at the ads they place. Where is that claim made? ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018/58 "2009-06-07T21:12:19Z")
> [@Fantome](#): > > Your giving him wiggle room. The ad claims the hairbrush **is** an innovation- from the mind of an African-American. “Your” a fucking moron, who just wants to read something nefarious by the blacks. This is the height of :rolleyes:. ---
**Author:** ![Fantome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Fantome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fantome)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018/59 "2009-06-07T21:17:25Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > I almost suspect you don’t want any of this stuff to be true. What was it that **Carol Stream** said that makes you suspect that? > [@](#): > > “Your” a fucking moron, who just wants to read something nefarious by the blacks. How did you conclude that I want to “read something nefarious by the blacks”? It’s telling when one has to resort to name calling and make charges of racism rather than tell them what was supposedly stupid about their argument. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018/60 "2009-06-07T21:19:34Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > I seen a house fly. I seen a horse fly. Well I even seen a dragon fly. But I be done seen about everything, when I see someone claim the editors of the New York fucking Times don’t even look at the ads they place. Are you [serious?](http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/New_York_Times_Company_v_Sullivan.aspx) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-the-united-negro-college-fund-feel-the-need-to-lie-so-egregiously/499018.md?page=4)