# Why does X mean a kiss? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [August 10, 2009, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-x-mean-a-kiss/505924 "2009-08-10T13:00:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![wierdaaron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eada6e/32.png) [@wierdaaron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wierdaaron)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-x-mean-a-kiss/505924/21 "2009-08-11T02:26:59Z")
I had it backwards for a long time. My mom always told me that X was hug and O was kiss, because the X is like the arms crossed around someone’s back, and the O is like the puckered lips. That incorrect explanation has the unfortunate disadvantage of being much more understandable than the correct one. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-x-mean-a-kiss/505924/22 "2009-08-11T04:20:53Z")
> [@Colophon](#): > > X kind of looks right for a kiss, but O for a hug? 😕 Because your arms make a circle when hugging. That’s my interpretation anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Jerseyman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bbce88/32.png) [@Jerseyman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jerseyman)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-x-mean-a-kiss/505924/23 "2009-08-11T04:27:41Z")
Never seen O for a cuddle - or heard it called a ‘hug’ (which term I detest) until the last ten years or so. I have seen {} for that but only Internet. X goes way back. Probably the illiterate signing thing is more-or-less correct. It’s still in use. I had a form to fill in recently that I only glanced over and thought needed a counter-signature but on closer inspection was only if filled in for an illiterate. Could be too that X marked the spot for all kinds of things including ritual kissing the Bible and that sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-x-mean-a-kiss/505924/24 "2009-08-11T04:51:16Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > I always saw it as first part of a progression – start with x, end with xxx. I assumed xx would be heavy petting, or something. 😛 Well, then wouldn’t you want to end it with a big O? ---
**Author:** ![alterego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6bbea6/32.png) [@alterego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alterego)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-x-mean-a-kiss/505924/25 "2009-08-11T04:58:06Z")
> **[Hugs and kisses](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugs_and_kisses)** > > Hugs and kisses, abbreviated in North America as XO or XOXO, is an informal term used for expressing sincerity, faith, love, or good friendship at the end of a written letter, email or text message. In the United Kingdom, the phrase 'hugs and kisses' is widely used but XO or XOXO are not - even though O, 00 etc. for 'kisses' is also used. > The earliest attestation of the use of either x or o to indicate kisses identified by the Oxford English Dictionary appears in the English novellist Florence M... ---
**Author:** ![UDS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecae2f/32.png) [@UDS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-x-mean-a-kiss/505924/26 "2009-08-11T05:41:26Z")
The OED has citations for ‘x’ representing a kiss going back to 1763. It has no entry at all for ‘o’ representing an embrace. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-x-mean-a-kiss/505924/27 "2009-08-11T13:42:21Z")
> [@Hypnagogic\_Jerk](#): > > Yes, around here (Quebec) it does. But did it pre-internet? It does mean it in Spain nowadays, but not until the cellphone explosion of 10 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hypnagogic_jerk/32/4252_2.png) [@Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypnagogic_Jerk)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-x-mean-a-kiss/505924/28 "2009-08-11T18:21:08Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > But did it pre-internet? Yes, it did in the 80s at least, when I was a young kid. I’ll have to ask my parents if it did when they were children. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-x-mean-a-kiss/505924/29 "2009-08-11T18:34:02Z")
XO is relatively recent. (I am mildly surprised by a claim for the 1950s because I don’t recall seeing it before the 1970s, but that could simply be the lack of affection directed my way.) X, XX, XXX, … goes back much further. You can find Xs for kisses (without Os) on letters in cartoons from the 1930s. ---
**Author:** ![Chicken\_Fingers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Chicken\_Fingers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicken_Fingers)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-x-mean-a-kiss/505924/30 "2009-08-11T22:46:18Z")
In the 1960s I remember getting cards from my grandmother with xoxo. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-x-mean-a-kiss/505924/31 "2009-08-12T03:34:25Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Which lips are we talking about here? :drops drink: You owe me a keyboard! ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-x-mean-a-kiss/505924/32 "2009-08-12T03:35:54Z")
> [@alterego](#): > > [Hugs and kisses - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugs_and_kisses) Ah, the link post, which contains no explanation. How useful. 😉 Basically, the link states that it’s debatable which means which. ---
**Author:** ![cactus\_waltz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@cactus\_waltz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cactus_waltz)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-x-mean-a-kiss/505924/33 "2009-08-12T08:36:44Z")
I would guess that O was partly chosen for hugs because the shape is very geometrically different from the X. They match up in that way. XOXO. Like Tic Tac Toe. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-x-mean-a-kiss/505924/34 "2009-08-12T08:58:15Z")
Here’s a 1973 commercial for the Bic Banana that shows a Mother writing a letter to her son. The x is a kiss and a larger circle represents a hug. So by that time the XOXOXOX convention was presumably common knowledge. [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxRM-3YdUQw) ---
**Author:** ![si\_blakely](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@si\_blakely](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/si_blakely)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-x-mean-a-kiss/505924/35 "2009-08-12T10:32:26Z")
I think that BirdMonsters quote gets close. The greek letter Chi (X) is (in some dialects) pronounced /ks/ ([cite](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_%28letter%29)). So the jump from kiss to /ks/ (written X) is not too far, for someone with a classical education. Of course, I have no evidence, but it works for me. Si ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stafford\_Cripps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stafford_cripps/32/7167_2.png) [@The\_Stafford\_Cripps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stafford_Cripps)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-x-mean-a-kiss/505924/36 "2009-08-12T11:00:03Z")
I thought that the x started being used in the 18th or 19th centuries when lovers were writing to each other - they would kiss the paper and mark the spot with the cross so the recipient would know where their lips had been and also kiss it. Or they would draw the cross first and then kiss it. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-x-mean-a-kiss/505924/37 "2009-08-12T19:41:46Z")
> [@G. Odoreida](#): > > I thought that the x started being used in the 18th or 19th centuries when lovers were writing to each other - they would kiss the paper and mark the spot with the cross so the recipient would know where their lips had been and also kiss it. Or they would draw the cross first and then kiss it. The earliest cite in the OED for X meaning a kiss is from the naturalist Gilbert White in 1763. > [@](#): > > 1763 G. WHITE Lett. (1901) I. vii. 132, I am with many a xxxxxxx and many a Pater noster and Ave Maria, Gil. White. Alas, it brings us no closer to an explanation though and OED doesn’t even attempt one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-does-x-mean-a-kiss/505924.md?page=1)