# Why doesn't Trump's childishness simply disqualify him outright in your mind? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 2, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184 "2017-01-02T23:26:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2017, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/301 "2017-01-04T19:42:12Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I used to drive for a courier service… sensitive emails from the White House and Congress alone would swamp any system. How about the old days,before email existed? I’m not talking about the Luddites or the pony express…I’m asking a serious question, about the modern world, not so long ago. Let’s take as a example the Gulf War against Saddam Hussein. That was a massive logistical undertaking, and was preceded by massive efforts to gather intelligence about WMD’s, the Republican Guard and the Iraqi army, and analyse the political situation. It must have generated massive numbers of top secret documents. Today those documents would be emails. But in 1990? How did they do it? I assume some of it was done by courier. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2017, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/302 "2017-01-04T19:42:31Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > By his statement, trump indicates that this should be the status quo for communication, not the exception. > > That’s pretty stupid. Yes, couriering documents for communication as the status quo is stupid, I agree. > [@](#): > > Couriering documents for day to day communication is stupid. Couriering documents that cannot be easily replicated, or that are not too time sensitive, or that are going to make it across town in a couple hours is fine. Maybe next time you can say this, instead of “as stupid as couriering secret documents” > [@](#): > > It is maybe not only stupid (like using DCD to send out birthday invites) in the cases that I was specifically talking about, but those were the cases I was talking about. Intergovt communication Really? Now you are saying you were talking about intergovt communication? Guess what? Couriering IS used for intergovt communications, just not time sensitive communications. > [@](#): > > See, here’s where context would help you. Trump said that if something was important, you should write it down and courier it. So what? I’m responding to something YOU said, namely that couriering secret documents was stupid. You didn’t qualify your statement with “intergovernmental communications” or even “timely” communications. And as far as I can tell, neither did Trump, so you can’t use HIS words as an implicit explanation for YOUR words. Real simple here - Simply say something like “Yeah, I know it looked like I meant ALL types of couriering of secret documents were stupid but I didn’t mean that. I meant couriering ALL government communications as a day-to-day process was stupid and some types of couriering of secret documents are necessary.” > [@](#): > > I think paychecks are kinda stupid too, but a few of my employees still prefer them to direct deposit. > > So, since you think that couriering paychecks is stupid, how do you think they should be sent? Certified mail? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2017, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/303 "2017-01-04T19:46:43Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > How about the old days,before email existed? > I’m not talking about the Luddites or the pony express…I’m asking a serious question, about the modern world, not so long ago. > > Let’s take as a example the Gulf War against Saddam Hussein. That was a massive logistical undertaking, and was preceded by massive efforts to gather intelligence about WMD’s, the Republican Guard and the Iraqi army, and analyse the political situation. It must have generated massive numbers of top secret documents. Today those documents would be emails. > But in 1990? How did they do it? I assume some of it was done by courier. The used AUTODIN to transfer messages to Base (Post) Communications Centers, which printed, sorted, and made available for pickup by the addressees of the messages. Secure, encrypted system from end-to-end. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2017, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/304 "2017-01-04T19:54:41Z")
trumpsplaining is just a troll on thoughtful citizens for the near future. Very depressing and destructive for the politics. Meanwhile donald will not or cannot clarify anything he says. Which makes trumpsplaining inevitable. And this never becomes part of the situational discussion. donald is not defendable, so the splaining becomes the point, and the fortress to defend. It’s embarrassing, if you take one tiny step back and look. But shame is in short supply. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/305 "2017-01-04T20:03:58Z")
Childishness on Trump’s part is really nothing. Just today, [Trump has blatantly lied](http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/03/politics/donald-trump-intelligence-briefing-russian-hack-delay/index.html) about an Intel briefing he will be having with US intelligence agencies. Trump lies about US Intelligence agencies, and backs up Russia - a country that historically has not exactly been a friend and ally. Trump’s Tweet: “The “Intelligence” briefing on so-called “Russian hacking” was delayed until Friday, perhaps more time needed to build a case. Very strange!” However, there was no delay. The briefing was never scheduled for now. He is lying about this. He is making an enemy of US Intelligence agencies and is cozying up to foreign powers. Yet Trump’s supporters have no problem with this whatsoever. None. As I said in another thread, if Trump installed Putin has his chief advisor, and put him in the White House, Trump supporters would excuse and even cheer this. It is beyond belief. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/306 "2017-01-04T20:43:36Z")
I can understand why Trump holds the intelligence community in such contempt. After all, he knows things other people don’t know. More than the generals, even. Because he’s smart and he has a brain. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2017, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/307 "2017-01-04T20:55:21Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Yes, couriering documents for communication as the status quo is stupid, I agree. > Maybe next time you can say this, instead of “as stupid as couriering secret documents” > Really? Now you are saying you were talking about intergovt communication? Guess what? Couriering IS used for intergovt communications, just not time sensitive communications. > So what? I’m responding to something YOU said, namely that couriering secret documents was stupid. You didn’t qualify your statement with “intergovernmental communications” or even “timely” communications. And as far as I can tell, neither did Trump, so you can’t use HIS words as an implicit explanation for YOUR words. Yes, I did take it that trump felt that couriers should be used as a primary means of intergovt communication. As that was what I was responding to, I did not feel I needed to put so many caveats, and figured the context would speak for itself. > [@](#): > > Real simple here - Simply say something like “Yeah, I know it looked like I meant ALL types of couriering of secret documents were stupid but I didn’t mean that. I meant couriering ALL government communications as a day-to-day process was stupid and some types of couriering of secret documents are necessary.” I’ll give you this much. With no context, i can see how my comment was referring to all courier services. The context in which I made the remark, that being in response to Trump’s implication that we should use courier services for “important” communication shows that I was speaking specifically about the situation upon which he was remarking. In any case, as I am right here, you have the ability to ask me to clarify, rather than going on and on about how your misinterpretation makes me look dumb, even after I have clarified. > [@](#): > > Certified mail? That takes longer than a courier. I post payroll on Thursday, and pay on Friday. For certified mail, I’d have to post a day or so sooner, costing me not an insignificant amount in interest. Besides, that’s how my payroll company delivers checks, it was not really my decision. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/308 "2017-01-04T21:21:51Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Yes, I did take it that trump felt that couriers should be used as a primary means of intergovt communication. I didn’t take his words as meaning this, just that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about 🙂 > [@](#): > > I’ll give you this much. With no context, i can see how my comment was referring to all courier services. The context in which I made the remark, that being in response to Trump’s implication that we should use courier services for “important” communication shows that I was speaking specifically about the situation upon which he was remarking. Same as above. I didn’t take his words as meaning “We should use couriers for all important intergovernmental communications” I took them, as I said, as him not knowing what he is talking about. > [@](#): > > In any case, as I am right here, you have the ability to ask me to clarify, rather than going on and on about how your misinterpretation makes me look dumb, even after I have clarified I thought I did ask for clarification, but it didn’t seem to be getting any clearer to me. > [@](#): > > That takes longer than a courier. I post payroll on Thursday, and pay on Friday. For certified mail, I’d have to post a day or so sooner, costing me not an insignificant amount in interest. Besides, that’s how my payroll company delivers checks, it was not really my decision. OK, but you asked for another way. Also, I’ve looked it up in the interim, and I meant Registered Mail, but whatever. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2017, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/309 "2017-01-04T21:28:59Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I didn’t take his words as meaning this, just that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about 🙂 > > Same as above. I didn’t take his words as meaning “We should use couriers for all important intergovernmental communications” I took them, as I said, as him not knowing what he is talking about. Wait. But he said he knows all about hacking… and cyber… ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/310 "2017-01-04T22:14:30Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I didn’t take his words as meaning this, just that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about 🙂 > > Same as above. I didn’t take his words as meaning “We should use couriers for all important intergovernmental communications” I took them, as I said, as him not knowing what he is talking about. > > I thought I did ask for clarification, but it didn’t seem to be getting any clearer to me. > > OK, but you asked for another way. Also, I’ve looked it up in the interim, and I meant Registered Mail, but whatever. Alright, fine. Couriers are smart. Couriers are awesome. Couriers have many uses. Trump is a moron. Can we agree now? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2017, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/311 "2017-01-04T23:36:16Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Wait. But he said he knows all about hacking… and cyber… Well, he asks his 10 year old son about the cyber, because the lad knows a lot about these new computer things. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/312 "2017-01-05T00:41:09Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I can understand why Trump holds the intelligence community in such contempt. After all, he knows things other people don’t know. More than the generals, even. Because he’s smart and he has a brain. He hates the intelligence community just because of their name. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/313 "2017-01-05T01:03:54Z")
Wednesday is almost over. Did The Donald ever hold his press conference \ to tell us all the special shit about the cyber that even the intelligence agencies don’t know? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/314 "2017-01-05T04:40:26Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Common sense? A set of moral values? Have you read Article II of the Constitution? The President is Commander in Chief, appoints certain government officials, judges, and ambassadors, signs treaties, and enforces the laws already enacted by Congress. There’s no generic “Do Stuff.” :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/315 "2017-01-05T05:26:10Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Have you read Article II of the Constitution? The President is Commander in Chief, appoints certain government officials, judges, and ambassadors, signs treaties, and enforces the laws already enacted by Congress. > > There’s no generic “Do Stuff.” :dubious: He is going to have a lot of trouble whichever. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/316 "2017-01-05T07:13:03Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > The used AUTODIN to transfer messages to Base (Post) Communications Centers, which printed, sorted, and made available for pickup by the addressees of the messages. > > Secure, encrypted system from end-to-end. I remember using a [Model 40 teletype](http://www.baudot.net/teletype/M40.htm) on the Allied Defense Data Network. We were using those as late as the early 1990s. I still remember my unit’s UNCLAS callsign - RCESZEA. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/317 "2017-01-05T16:09:09Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I remember using a [Model 40 teletype](http://www.baudot.net/teletype/M40.htm) on the Allied Defense Data Network. We were using those as late as the early 1990s. > > I still remember my unit’s UNCLAS callsign - RCESZEA. Sweet, someone else knows the RI codes 🙂 One of mine was RHDJAAA. All the teletype systems were gone by the time I graduated tech school, but I trained on some sort of Sperry system. Sort of back on topic, Ramstein AB was my first assignment, just after Gulf War I, and the airmen there said the printers were non-stop spitting out messages during the entirety of Desert Shield and Storm, all of which needed to be collated, stapled, cover-sheeted, and routed to the correct organizations on base. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/318 "2017-01-05T16:10:09Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Alright, fine. Couriers are smart. Couriers are awesome. Couriers have many uses. > > Trump is a moron. > > Can we agree now? ‘Smart’ and ‘Awesome’ are unnecessary for my agreement, but yes! ---
**Author:** ![Neo-Calredic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/96bed5/32.png) [@Neo-Calredic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neo-Calredic)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/319 "2017-01-05T19:17:38Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > [Ford cancels Mexico plant. Will create 700 U.S. jobs in ‘vote of confidence’ in Trump](http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/03/news/economy/ford-700-jobs-trump/index.html) > > That silly immature Trump and his silly tweets at 3AM… Oooh, 700 new jobs. Wow. Meanwhile… > **[Sears closing 150 stores, selling Craftsman in attempt to survive](https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/01/05/sears-kmart-stanley-black-decker-craftsman/96191312/)** > > Retailer closes 108 Kmarts, 42 Sears stores, sells Craftsman to Black & Decker to raise cash ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/320 "2017-01-05T19:38:37Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Have you read Article II of the Constitution? The President is Commander in Chief, appoints certain government officials, judges, and ambassadors, signs treaties, and enforces the laws already enacted by Congress. > > There’s no generic “Do Stuff.” :dubious: To Donnie, all that you described there _is_ stuff, and it sure as h-e double hockey sticks does not, in any way, preclude the valid concerns about his, yes, putative common sense and moral values. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184.md?page=17)