# Why doesn't Trump's childishness simply disqualify him outright in your mind? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 2, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184 "2017-01-02T23:26:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/41 "2017-01-03T06:12:30Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > There can be factual instances of childishness. It’s not an opinion to observe it. Only if you recognize them as childishness. If you don’t, they are not “factual instances of childishness”. They are “instances of behavior that you consider childish, and someone else may not.” ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/42 "2017-01-03T06:15:12Z")
> [@HeXen](#): > > I straight up just flat out do not give a f\*\*\*. Don’t care what OP thinks, nor anyone else here. My support is for his ideas, his abilities and his balls. Something other politicians lack. > > We don’t have to defend anything. He’s going to be President, it’s a done deal. Say whatever floats your boat.🆒 You support his balls? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/43 "2017-01-03T06:16:05Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > You support his balls? See, that’s childish. IMO of course. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/44 "2017-01-03T06:22:10Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Only if you recognize them as childishness. If you don’t, they are not “factual instances of childishness”. They are “instances of behavior that you consider childish, and someone else may not.” Well reality can be trolled. Is that your point? That’s the only argument possible for post trump post truthers. You mean that no matter what happens you are entitled to your own reality, especially as donald lies, steals and corrupts his way through american life. You just say “I didn’t see it that way” or “We saved you from what would have gone wrong if we had hillary” ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/45 "2017-01-03T06:25:00Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > See, that’s childish. IMO of course. I was asking in innocence about a real quote. There’s a difference between childish and child-like. I always stay on the like side. ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/46 "2017-01-03T06:29:07Z")
Trump has surrounded himself with a sufficiently large number of competent people and orthodox Republicans, that a vast portion of the damage that he otherwise might have done will be averted. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/47 "2017-01-03T06:30:52Z")
Well I have a theory that for at least some Trump supporters there is a sort of believe it or not pragmatic reason they voted for him. Despite his faults Trump was the only Republican that had the charisma, and bombastic energy to unite his base and get them to the polls to come out and vote for him on Election Day. I don’t think Cruz, Bush, Rubio, or Christie could have pulled off what he did. So I think their hope is that now that he won the election he will effectively just be a hands-off manager and it will really be Pence and his cabinet that will run the country, uphold their ideals and policies, do away with a lot or all of Obama’s policies and give him the names of conservative Supreme Court nominees, and he will just rubber stamp their ideas and give final approval because he really has no ideas of his own. It’s actually a pretty smart idea from their perspective if you think about it, he delivered the votes and the people he has surrounded himself with will be the ones actually running the country, well that’s my theory anyway. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/48 "2017-01-03T06:32:32Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > How exactly do you prove the “fact” that she is not an evil power-monger? The way you get to call someone an evil power monger is to prove it to the satisfaction of your audience. If you really can’t agree on any terms at all for the proof (Which is your strategy for dealing with dissonant people and facts now that you have trump to explain) then someone is being a little disingenuous about their acting in good faith in the discussion. And of course there is no obligation to disprove such an assertion. When your audience will believe anything it’s easy I guess. But this is not a place like that is it? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/49 "2017-01-03T06:46:50Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Trump’s opponents are going to agree he’s disqualified. Not me. As far as I know, he meets every lawful requirement to serve as POTUS, and is therefore qualified. He is also childish, crude, loathsome and boorish. Were he on fire, I wouldn’t piss on him to put him out. But he won, and is entitled to assume the office at the appointed time. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/50 "2017-01-03T10:42:38Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > There’s also a rabid hatred of liberals out there. As long as they get to drink “libtard tears,” it’s all roses. It’s less about Trump the man, more about what he represents. Probably 30-35 percent of voters have a rabid hatred of liberals, and for another 30-35 percent the feeling is mutual. We have to be careful with painting too broadly here. Trump couldn’t have won without the support in the center. These people either simply didn’t give a toss about either candidate or voted for Trump because they were tired of political elitism (on both sides) and wanted to voice their frustrations at the ballot box in an attempt to disrupt the system or to ‘send a message’. I think there’s going to be huge buyer’s remorse, though that regret might not be apparent immediately. There will probably be a honeymoon period, but I suspect that reality will probably start to settle upon the consciousness of many of these voters within the next 2 years. No amount of literary finger wagging is going to change their minds, though. They (We) are just going to have to learn the hard way. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/51 "2017-01-03T12:57:28Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > … > Given that, I’m curious, how does childishness not immediately disqualify him in your mind? …You are happy to have Trump in office? Does his childishness just not enter into the calculus? Or do you think there are things about his presidency that are positive enough, somehow, to override his childishness? … I had hoped that another attempt to get a rational, mature, intelligent justification for supporting Trump might produce a coherent response. There aren’t a lot of Trumpsters on the SDMB, true, but some of them are smart and articulate. I guess the best you’re gonna get is > [@HeXen](#): > > I straight up just flat out do not give a f\*\*\*. Don’t care what OP thinks, nor anyone else here. My support is for his ideas, his abilities and his balls. Something other politicians lack. > > We don’t have to defend anything. He’s going to be President, it’s a done deal. Say whatever floats your boat.🆒 \ ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/52 "2017-01-03T13:09:36Z")
Disqualify him from what? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/53 "2017-01-03T13:18:45Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Disqualify him from what? > > Regards, > Shodan Disqualify him from being President. C’mon. You knew that was the question. :rolleyes: Geez. Playing dumb doesn’t suit you, 'cause you’re a smart guy. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/54 "2017-01-03T13:56:32Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > You mean that no matter what happens you are entitled to your own reality It’s pure arrogance to think that your opinion is reality and others’ isn’t… ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/55 "2017-01-03T13:58:18Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > The way you get to call someone an evil power monger is to prove it to the satisfaction of your audience. If so, then the way you get to call someone childish is to the satisfaction of your audience. And your audience is not satisfied (as it obviously wasn’t - witness the election results). ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/56 "2017-01-03T14:26:36Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Disqualify him from being President. > > C’mon. You knew that was the question. :rolleyes: Geez. Playing dumb doesn’t suit you, 'cause you’re a smart guy. Does it disqualify him from being President? No - he was elected. So, in a couple of weeks, he will be President. Why doesn’t his childishness disqualify him from being President in my mind? Because I have come to the conclusion that reality is something that happens outside my head. That’s how I disprove solipsism - if reality existed only in my mind, then reality would agree with my desires. It doesn’t, therefore there must be factors that exist outside my volition that affect reality whether I like it, or recognize it, or not. I didn’t vote for Trump, yet he became President anyway. I didn’t vote for Obama, but the same thing happened. Therefore, apparently my preferences don’t always control reality. I have come to accept that in the course of a long life. You might want to try something similar. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/57 "2017-01-03T14:29:59Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Folks, be patient. We’re only 18 days away from President Trump, and we’ll have 4 years to criticize has every word and deed, and he’ll almost certainly give us a lot of material to work with. I hope the Northern Hemisphere survives four years. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/58 "2017-01-03T14:59:09Z")
> [@HeXen](#): > > I straight up just flat out do not give a f\*\*\*. Don’t care what OP thinks, nor anyone else here. My support is for his ideas, his abilities and his balls. Something other politicians lack. “balls” are no substitute for brains. > [@HeXen](#): > > We don’t have to defend anything. He’s going to be President, it’s a done deal. Say whatever floats your boat.🆒 Give him a few months. You’ll have plenty to answer for, let alone defend. Or you know, deny everything and blame the libruls. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/59 "2017-01-03T15:01:28Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Why doesn’t his childishness disqualify him from being President in my mind? Because I have come to the conclusion that reality is something that happens outside my head. That’s how I disprove solipsism - if reality existed only in my mind, then reality would agree with my desires. I know you’re being lighthearted but that doesn’t really work. Depression, addictions and nightmares all reside in the mind and don’t line up with people’s desires. The coming national nightmare may only happen to my poor brain in a jar somewhere. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/60 "2017-01-03T15:07:29Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > It’s pure arrogance to think that your opinion is reality and others’ isn’t… Not if I’m right and they’re wrong. I can cite examples. But I doubt you’re inclined to hear anything outside your own “reality”. > [@Okrahoma](#): > > If so, then the way you get to call someone childish is to the satisfaction of your audience. And your audience is not satisfied (as it obviously wasn’t - witness the election results). 46% of the electorate are equally childish - witness the election results. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184.md?page=4)