# Why doesn't Trump's childishness simply disqualify him outright in your mind? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 2, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184 "2017-01-02T23:26:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/161 "2017-01-03T21:01:36Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > There you go again… playing dumb. Are you doing it for effect or is this some irony I’m missing? And I thought the Cheeto in Chief had stated he wasn’t going to take the salary. Or did he walk that one back? Either way, I don’t know how that affects Shodan’s comment. Irony, or stupidity? Difficult to say… ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/162 "2017-01-03T21:01:40Z")
> [@Univarsedivide](#): > > Mate I grew up in a time that the USA and the USSR had enough NUKES to DESTROY this planet 6 times over. That was my greatest fear. TRUMP IS TO INTERESTED IN HIMSELF TO DO THIS. Still have all those nukes, and Trump is the one that is wondering why we are’nt using them more. You don’t think that trump and his family will do just fine in a posh gold lined bomb shelter if he kicks off a nuclear war? ---
**Author:** ![Univarsedivide](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/7ab992/32.png) [@Univarsedivide](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Univarsedivide)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/163 "2017-01-03T21:05:12Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > What law is it that they changed? I can find out all the donors to hillary’s campain, it is a matter of public record. You don’t have to dare me, it’s easy to find out. > > Now, if you are talking about pac money, well that doesn’t actually go to the candidtate, it is just spent on their behalf, and that money is harder to track down. Most poeple are against that, so if that is your point, then you will find little disagreement. > > However, if that is your point, you are making it very poorly. > Then link to the oz news service that says she spent 700 billion (5% of US’s GDP)on the campaign. Mate I don’t spend much time on the computer, much prefer to be outdoors, so I have no clue how to do what you asked. TRY [NINE.COM](http://NINE.COM)(.au???) I don’t know if you can access it from over there. If the money is spent on behalf of the candidate does not that mean it is for them? I don’t about PAC(MAN) money, but wasn’t it for her to use to get elected? (HILLARY’S ELECTION FUND) ---
**Author:** ![Univarsedivide](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/7ab992/32.png) [@Univarsedivide](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Univarsedivide)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/164 "2017-01-03T21:13:58Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Still have all those nukes, and Trump is the one that is wondering why we are’nt using them more. > > You don’t think that trump and his family will do just fine in a posh gold lined bomb shelter if he kicks off a nuclear war? Yeah mate but when he gets out of there, there will not be anyone to watch his shows. HE CRAVES ATTENTION, GOOD OR BAD IT DOES NOT MATTER TO HIM. BUT SOMETHING IN HIM NEEDS THAT ATTENTION. Who killed the USFL ? Great 30 for 30 doco by ESPN. How many people have watched his show? THE PEOPLE of the USA have a chance to make him make good policy decisions, if they try. And no you do not have all those NUKES any more. CHECK OUT REAGAN AND GORBICHOV’S NDA. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/165 "2017-01-03T21:15:01Z")
> [@Univarsedivide](#): > > Mate I don’t spend much time on the computer, much prefer to be outdoors, so I have no clue how to do what you asked. TRY [NINE.COM](http://NINE.COM)(.au???) I don’t know if you can access it from over there. If the money is spent on behalf of the candidate does not that mean it is for them? I don’t about PAC(MAN) money, but wasn’t it for her to use to get elected? (HILLARY’S ELECTION FUND) I can access just fine. I just cannot find your 700 billion dollar claim. As that is a pretty significant portion of the US’s gdp, I am saying that there is no way that that information is true. I would assume that you misheard this info. But unless you can come up with some sort of cite, I am going to say that you are 100% absolutely wrong on this. according to [this](https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/), she, along with her pacs, spent about 1.2 billion. This is far, far, far short of your 700 billion claim. Unless you can back that claim up, you are certainly in the wrong, no matter how you look at it. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/166 "2017-01-03T21:15:45Z")
> [@Univarsedivide](#): > > Mate I don’t spend much time on the computer, much prefer to be outdoors, so I have no clue how to do what you asked. TRY [NINE.COM](http://NINE.COM)(.au???) I don’t know if you can access it from over there. If the money is spent on behalf of the candidate does not that mean it is for them? I don’t about PAC(MAN) money, but wasn’t it for her to use to get elected? (HILLARY’S ELECTION FUND) I linked to it. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/167 "2017-01-03T21:16:19Z")
> [@Univarsedivide](#): > > Yeah mate but when he gets out of there, there will not be anyone to watch his shows. HE CRAVES ATTENTION, GOOD OR BAD IT DOES NOT MATTER TO HIM. BUT SOMETHING IN HIM NEEDS THAT ATTENTION. Who killed the USFL ? Great 30 for 30 doco by ESPN. > How many people have watched his show? THE PEOPLE of the USA have a chance to make him make good policy decisions, if they try. And no you do not have all those NUKES any more. CHECK OUT REAGAN AND GORBICHOV’S NDA. Oh, we don’t have those nukes anymore. Good to know. Putin knows this too, right? ---
**Author:** ![Univarsedivide](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/7ab992/32.png) [@Univarsedivide](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Univarsedivide)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/168 "2017-01-03T21:25:03Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > And who determines who is honest, and who is not? You? A group of people? A govt service? A for-profit corporation? > > What do you consider honest? If someone says 700 billion, when they mean say, 7 million, is that dishonest? > > What if it is a smaller issue, they say the debt is 15 trillion, but it is actually 14.7 or 15.3, is that dishonest? > > Tell me, how do you determine the rank and file of honesty of people of whom every statement they have ever made is part of public record? I class an honest Pollie as someone who has the countries best interest at heart, not his or a corporation. Yes the idiot says stupid things (TRUMP), but who doesn’t? I am only HOPING that America can use his MASSIVE EGO to make him do right. In OZ I think that there is less than a handful of honest pollies. I want people power to MAKE THIS PLANET INTO EDEN RATHER THAN THE HELL IT IS DON’T YOU??? Oh, by the way every one who votes determines the validity of pollies honesty. Watch CITIZEN 4 and see how honest OBAMA is. ---
**Author:** ![Univarsedivide](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/7ab992/32.png) [@Univarsedivide](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Univarsedivide)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/169 "2017-01-03T21:28:50Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Oh, we don’t have those nukes anymore. Good to know. Putin knows this too, right? I did not say you had no NUKES only enough to destroy the planet 2 times over between you. But since the 70’s 80’s INDIA, PAKISTAN, CHINA AND NORTH KOREA have developed this evil tech, and once someone trows them everyone will. ---
**Author:** ![Univarsedivide](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/7ab992/32.png) [@Univarsedivide](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Univarsedivide)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/170 "2017-01-03T21:30:01Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I linked to it. Cheers thanks mate ---
**Author:** ![Univarsedivide](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/7ab992/32.png) [@Univarsedivide](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Univarsedivide)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/171 "2017-01-03T21:31:46Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I can access just fine. > > I just cannot find your 700 billion dollar claim. > > As that is a pretty significant portion of the US’s gdp, I am saying that there is no way that that information is true. > > I would assume that you misheard this info. But unless you can come up with some sort of cite, I am going to say that you are 100% absolutely wrong on this. > > according to [this](https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/), she, along with her pacs, spent about 1.2 billion. > > This is far, far, far short of your 700 billion claim. > > Unless you can back that claim up, you are certainly in the wrong, no matter how you look at it. seven hundred million, so sorry I made a mistake, lucky I am not GOD ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/172 "2017-01-03T21:34:49Z")
> [@Univarsedivide](#): > > I class an honest Pollie as someone who has the countries best interest at heart, not his or a corporation. Yes the idiot says stupid things (TRUMP), but who doesn’t? I am only HOPING that America can use his MASSIVE EGO to make him do right. In OZ I think that there is less than a handful of honest pollies. I want people power to MAKE THIS PLANET INTO EDEN RATHER THAN THE HELL IT IS DON’T YOU??? Oh, by the way every one who votes determines the validity of pollies honesty. Watch CITIZEN 4 and see how honest OBAMA is. Yeah, you have pretty much invalidated yourself as a source of useful information, what with your 700 billion dollar claim. So, you want me to “Watch CITIZEN 4 and see how honest OBAMA is.” Is that a channel, a movie, a show? What will I learn from it? Is this one of the places where you have heard some of the claims you have made here? I would hope that we could temper trump and the pubbies too, but it’s not gonna happen simply by appealing to his ego. If that were the case, he would have dropped out of the race in the first place. From hillary’s record of public service from the time she left college (and also while she was in college), you can see that she did in fact have at heart, the best interest of all of her constituencies she has represented. Trump, not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/173 "2017-01-03T21:36:03Z")
Well, since this thread has disintegrated into a crapfest (which is kinda to be expected, really, with the silly axiomatic OP), I will leave you with this as food for thought: [Intellectuals for Trump](http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/09/intellectuals-for-trump) ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/174 "2017-01-03T21:37:59Z")
> [@Univarsedivide](#): > > seven hundred million, so sorry I made a mistake, lucky I am not GOD Thank you for backing down your claim by a few orders of magnitude there, that’s the sort of number that is actually possible. If you had done that several posts ago, rather than doubling down on your claim, that would have saved both of us time. Now, do you have a cite for that? That one benefactor gave her over half of her funding? I am still not able to find a cite that coincides with that. You are the one making the claim here, you are the one that needs to back it up. ---
**Author:** ![Univarsedivide](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/7ab992/32.png) [@Univarsedivide](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Univarsedivide)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/175 "2017-01-03T21:44:05Z")
To anyone who doesn’t agree with me, good, there should always be a difference of opinion. I just see an opportunity to make this world a better place. I think you may be all manner of reactions at his decisions. But I think that if everyone in USA told trump that he could be the best POTUS ever, HE WOULD CRAVE THAT ATTENTION MORE THAN ANY OTHER, and would try to make it a reality even if he had to fight the party politics to do it. Anyway I am going to check my other posts and go for a swim at the beach. Ha Ha it is Summer here in paradise. I hope I have made people think? A SAFE AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU AND ALL OF YOURS. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/176 "2017-01-03T21:52:48Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Well, since this thread has disintegrated into a crapfest (which is kinda to be expected, really, with the silly axiomatic OP), I will leave you with this as food for thought: > > [Intellectuals for Trump](http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/09/intellectuals-for-trump) What you linked to was the New Yorker’s critisim of the “The Flight 93 Election” article, written by someone who took the name of a roman who sacrificed himself in battle, and as the new yorker article points out, he took that name to avoid any personal repercussion. Not off to a good start. To be fair, I did not read the whole thing, as it is quite long, and not very interesting or relevant at all. If you would like to point out what parts of it you found significant, that would be appreciated. Now, assuming you meant to link to [this](http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/), where hillary is compared to a hijacker, and trump voters to the people storming the cockpit, I find myself disagreeing with that analogy. Seriously, “a Hillary Clinton presidency is Russian Roulette with a semi-auto. With Trump, at least you can spin the cylinder and take your chances.” sounds like a very fair and reasoned point. Now, on the other hand, I can see how intellectuals can be fore trump. I will likely personally benefit from his administration, assuming that he doesn’t start any major wars, or get us nuked or something. I am white, male, straight, cis, middle aged, raised lower middle class and heading to upper middle myself. A republican administration could ensure that I get top bunk. The problem is, that a trump admin makes it likely that my top bunk will sink along with the rest of the ship. I would rather be a part of a positive sum game, than be winning in a negative sum game. Not only does that make me feel better about my conscience, and not making a buck off the misery of others, but it is also more sustainable. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/177 "2017-01-03T21:56:58Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I think he’s going to be a good President. I don’t know about great. This. I do think he’ll be a good President though not a great one and he and his appointees will be able to make beneficial changes that will affect the USA for decades to come, especially on SCOTUS. I held no brief for Trump during the campaign. I would have preferred a different Republican nominee and once he had secured the nomination I despaired of an election victory for the party. Like millions of others I was quite wrong. Trump pulled off the seemingly impossible, a Republican White House, Senate, House and the prospect of a conservative majority on the Supreme Court. I have to respect that achievement and the man behind it. The liberals underestimate Trump at their cost. They were so busy laughing at him that they forgot the first rule of politics: don’t expect your opponent to win the election for you. And now, with barely a halt to lift their jaws from the floor the liberals commence the mockery and laughter anew. I suspect that’s just the way Trump likes it. He can get on with the important stuff while they bust a gut at the size of his hands. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/178 "2017-01-03T22:25:22Z")
> [@Univarsedivide](#): > > Mate I grew up in a time that the USA and the USSR had enough NUKES to DESTROY this planet 6 times over. That was my greatest fear. TRUMP IS TO INTERESTED IN HIMSELF TO DO THIS. Which has nothing to do with what I asked you. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/179 "2017-01-03T22:29:47Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Well, since this thread has disintegrated into a crapfest (which is kinda to be expected, really, with the silly axiomatic OP), I will leave you with this as food for thought: > > [Intellectuals for Trump](http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/09/intellectuals-for-trump) Here, let me help you get back on track to answering the question I asked earlier: > [@QuickSilver](#): > > It’s working out fantastically well, actually. Every utterance and tweet reinforces my conviction that he’s the most dangerous and incompetent buffoon ever elected to the office of POTUS. What I can’t quite understand, and you can’t quite explain, is why his supporters eat up the stupid like it’s manna from heaven. > > At what point are we to start holding him accountable for the words & ideas that come out of his mouth and/or twitter account? > > And who is the ultimate arbiter of things he says that he means and things he says that he doesn’t mean? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2017, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184/180 "2017-01-03T22:43:30Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Why doesn’t Trump’s childishness simply disqualify him outright in your mind? > > I can’t believe this question hasn’t occurred to me before today. It really is my fundamental criticism of Trump-as-president, but somehow I have failed to articulate it until now. > > He’s childish. > > That he is childish I take to be so obvious it doesn’t even need arguing. Is that not the case for everyone, or can we start from that point? (post shortened) “Childish”? What does childish mean? That he doesn’t act like you do? That he doesn’t think like you do? That he doesn’t follow a form of Groupthink? Trump is just as qualified as Hillary, or Obama. Look it up in the U.S. Constitution. Trump-as-president doesn’t exist yet. Hating seems to be the national pastime. Hating President-elect Trump has become a fulltime hobby of the Democrat collective. I’ll wait for Trump’s cabinet to be seated, AND I’ll wait to see how well Trump works with Congress, and vice versa. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-doesnt-trumps-childishness-simply-disqualify-him-outright-in-your-mind/776184.md?page=10)