Pffft…the sun? My plan is to extinguish every star in the universe. Once I get the infinity gems I’ll…oh wait, thats been tried.
No. I perceive that pro-lifers believe that abortion is infanticide. Yes, I know you don’t respect their perception. That’s one reason it never dawned on you that that’s how they perceive it.
Thanks. Given that the whole thread is satire, parody, and irony, one would expect not to need a frying pan.
Do it at night.
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No. I perceive that pro-lifers believe that abortion is infanticide. Yes, I know you don’t respect their perception. That’s one reason it never dawned on you that that’s how they perceive it.
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So, on the one hand I don’t respect the position that abortion = infanticide (true) and therefore I do not know that people who are anti-abortion hold the position that abortion = infanticide?
That dog don’t hunt. It don’t even stop scratching its fleas long enough to get off the porch.
Meanwhile, I can only assume based on your response that you have no real quibble with the point that the religious, in general, are more willing to see atheists/non-believers in their particular sect die than the converse. If this is the case, perhaps the title of this thread, parody though it be, should be renamed.
The point being they shared all things in common. Not the Soviet type of Communism. The early Christians had no Communist government,not like China, Cuba and etc. The Soviet Union was not the pure form of Communism but a dictatorship.
Monavis
Prolifers is a wrong term,as they do not care how many people starve to death or want to sacrifice some of their money to pay the taxes necessary to feed and educate all the babies that are born; once born there is little they want to do except maybe give a dollor or two, when it takes many years to raise and educate a child. plus they would say a fertile egg is a chicken or a pollenated apple blossom is an apple,at least that is the same biology as a fertile human egg. Most people I know who allow the woman to choose would allow her to have the morning after pill before there was even a possibility of a conception.
I do not know any one pro-choice who is not pro life. They just want the born people to have a decent life.
Monavis
Okay, so the early Christians were Communists provided that you don’t mean by Communism anything resembling modern-day Communism. I’m fine with that as long as you don’t try to pretend differently. What point were you making again?
Like I said: perception.
So you shouldn’t act to prevent a killing unless you’re willing and able to take over the support of the intended victim? It magically becomes your responsibility simply because you’ve stopped a murder from being carried out?
I still don’t get this atheist phrase “it’s the only life we’ve got, let’s make it nice”.
Why? Why not "let’s do anything we can get away with?
I know atheists don’t do it, and they have their own valid reasons, but it’s rarely deeper than “not my thing, dude”.
I bet 100 dollars that abortion-people* have killed more abortion-people than pro-lifers have.
*Abortion-people: People who are directly connected with routinely perfoming abortions; mainly doctors, nurses and such.
It’s always nice to see how DT manages to create an incredibly non-existent version of christianity, then apply it to all christians and next he tries to make us belive it’s true. How quaint.
According to you. In reality, atheists have and follow systems of morality. They avoid doing bad things because they are bad; and because they are stupid; and because they they can get you punished. They are if anything more moral in their behavior.
It’s the religious people who have no basis for their morality; and the more seriously they take their religion, the less morality they have. Obeying orders isn’t morality; and the fact that the order-giver is fictional and will give whatever orders you or your local preacher choose means that religious “morality” is based on sand at best. And the fact that their view of the world is heavily delusional means that they typically can’t do good even if they want to.
And why would you say that ? And no, the fetuses they kill aren’t people.
And it’s interesting how non-specific people who criticize my opinion of religion often are. It’s ever so much easier to say I’m wrong without actually providing any specifics.
Isn’t it already blown up by nature ? 
Couldn’t you work out some sort of system with another atheist ? One masturbates while the other feeds him the decaying flesh of Christian babies, then they switch ?
My point was that the early Christians were Communistic, not under a government, the Soviet Union was not truly Communistic because the leaders and some higher ups dictated the ideas, but did not share everthing incommon as the first Christians were said to have done. Communism doesn’t work because people do not want to work and share equally, nor should they have to work for the lazy.
Monavis
If a fertile egg is destroyed it is not murder. It is only considered so by the religions who believe there is a soul. A fertile egg is not a chicken, a pollenated blossom is not an apple, a fertile egg is not yet a human. I had 2 miscarriages and neither had the look of a human being. So I believe that once it takes the shape of a human then it is human, but there are cases where it is necessary for the life of the mother to stop a pregnancy. The already born also need protection and in some cases it can be self defense.
A frozen embryo is not a human. It has the potential of becoming a human being but is not yet one. Does the soul freeze for many years? Does the soul pop in and out ? Is the woman’s life worthless?
The way to avoid abortion is to have good birth control or to have the morning after pill available for any woman who doesn’t want to bear a child. Yet many people want to force their religious beliefs on every woman. Perhaps if women in countries such as Africa and other over populated countries would have birth control or the morning after pill there would be less children and babies starving to death. Look at the eyes of those children and see their bones sticking out before they finally starve to death. Many were concieved by being raped. Some women have as many as 5 starving to death.
Monavis
(numbering mine)
(1) Agreed. It’s THEIR morality and, philosophically speaking, it’s not better than a morality that says “do anything you can get away with”.
It is true that atheists *appear *to behave very morally, even more so than believers.
(2) So, you can base your morality on the electro-chemical signals of your brain (which tell you there’s no god and that such-and-such things are good) but I can’t follow mine (which tell me there is a god and that such-and-such things are good)? How nice.
(3) I’m not counting the fetuses. What’s more, only the adults. Willing to take the bet?
(4) Let’s see
- The whole “bringing Armaggedon” thing is purely a tiny subset of US christians. No major group (Catholic, Orthodox, Lutherans, Calvinsits) has such an idea.
- Ditto any Rapture thing (although more popular than Armaggedon)
- Applying the Catholic church’s view on contraception (divorce, sex, homosexuality) to all Christians.
- Failing to understand the differences between Christian groups with regards to forgiveness of sins, from the aural cofession of Caths. and Orths., to “direct” confession, to “dunghills covered in snow” to assurance of heaven.
- Whatever bad thing any Christian has done in 2000 years applies to all Christians of all time and it is treated like official rules.
- No Christian can do good because they are christian.
No, I didn’t go around looking for links.
What you refer to as “modern-day Communism” is the first stage of the Marxist theory of the revolution. The idea was that once the proletariat had taken over the means of production, the machinery of the state would wither away, and people would essentially live in a sort of caring anarchy- basically, a commune, writ large, if you will. Hence the name communism. I think that’s what monavis is getting at.
Obviously, none of the states that tried Communism ever got to that part, because the leaders of their various revolutions convinced the people that enemies of the state were conspiring to overthrow their glorious new systems, and that the machinery of the state was needed to root out enemy agents and traitors and so on.
Turned out they were absolutely right, of course, but it’s hard to believe they wouldn’t have made the same pitch even if the governments of the West weren’t trying to interfere.
Atheism was not the driving force of communism. It was a reaction to the misdistribution of wealth that occurs in every country after a while. It was meant to help the workers get a wage they could live on. It was to stop the exploitation of workers. The Rockefeller /Carnegie ,Guilded Age in America was a fine blueprint of what was going wrong. It has recurred here.
I assure you, “I don’t harm other people because I care about their welfare” is a far deeper reason for being moral than “I don’t harm other people because I fear punishment for doing so.”
Why?
Says who?