# Why Don't I "Get" Quentin Tarantino Films? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 21, 2009, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447 "2009-06-21T03:19:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447/61 "2009-06-22T22:15:13Z")
Gotta admit. Tarantino can catch me. Here’s an analogy for you that might or might not be appropriate. Tarantino movies are a bit like The Black Crowes. They might not be the most original things around (both riff on existing canon and styles quite a bit) but damn if they’re not fun to spend time with. And I just saw the second trailer for Inglourious Basterds. That one looks awesome, baby. ---
**Author:** ![tr0psn4j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@tr0psn4j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tr0psn4j)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447/62 "2009-06-22T22:27:04Z")
I won’t argue about them being good or not but they are a lot of fun to watch. I can watch Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill a million times and never get bored of them. Also, while the visuals are great, I can have the movie playing in the background of my computer and just listen to the dialogue while surfing the web. Plus, he comes off as a nerd/geek, which is kind of cool. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447/63 "2009-06-22T22:49:17Z")
> [@Dogzilla](#): > > Really great way to put it. > > “Girl… you’ll be a woman soon…” plays just before B. Kiddo kills somebody. (Kill Bill) > > I love that. > > 🆒 Er, do you mean before Mia ODs in Pulp Fiction? ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447/64 "2009-06-23T00:54:38Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Er, do you mean before Mia ODs in Pulp Fiction? Er, I didn’t _think_ that’s what I meant, but upon further research… :smack: You’re right. I could have _swor_n I heard the melody from that song in the theme that plays in Kill Bill. Perhaps I watch too many Tarantino films. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447/65 "2009-06-23T01:07:03Z")
_Inglourious Basterds_ might actually appeal to me - given the subject matter. I’ll give it a try…🙂 Q ---
**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447/66 "2009-06-23T01:17:33Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > And that’s just using _Fargo_ as an example because it’s a movie I can actually rewatch. _No Country for Old Men_ draws an even stronger contrast, but I don’t like to dwell on that movie for too long, because it is so bleak and horrible. Even their lighter dramas still have material that’s hard to take, such as the death of the Dane in _Miller’s Crossing_, or Barton waking up next to Audrey and killing the mosquito on her back in _Barton Fink_, both scenes that I’ve found far more disturbing than anything out of a Tarantino flick. Or look at _Big Lebowski_, with the completely unneeded death of Donnie, or the climactic clusterfuck in _Burn After Reading_. Time and time again “average citizens” get involved in the world of criminals and killers in the Coens’ movies, and time and time again bad stuff happens. On the Tarantino side, let’s not forget the jewelry store customers Mr. Blonde shoots in _Reservoir Dogs_, as well as the cop. There are innocent victims in _From Dusk Till Dawn_, but then again that’s a vampire movie. Man, it took me too long to write this. ---
**Author:** ![AdmiralCrunch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6f9a4e/32.png) [@AdmiralCrunch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AdmiralCrunch)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447/67 "2009-06-23T01:50:54Z")
> [@vandal](#): > > Take for instance the opening scene in Pulp Fiction. Travolta and Jackson are talking about how quarter pounders are different in France, then transition into a witty foot massage discussion, all this right before _they’re about to kill three people_. And, even when they enter the apartment, Jackson still manages to have a mundane, pointless, yet oddly poignant conversation with Frank Whaley about his Kahuna burger, and even gets a little personal revealing his vegetarian girlfriend which pretty much makes him a vegetarian, right before him and Travolta blow his brains out. I mean, where else can you find this stuff in movies? > . [Shoot the Piano Player](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054389/) directed by Francois Truffaut is widely regarded as the inspiration for the “gangsters casually discuss minutiae while committing crimes” thing, except Tarantino makes a whole movie out of the idea instead of a couple funny scenes. Jean-Paul Belmondo casually murders a cop and continues committing crimes throughout [Breathless](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053472/) That sublime dancing scene in the diner? Straight out of [Band of Outsiders.](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057869/) ---
**Author:** ![ZebraShaSha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/eada6e/32.png) [@ZebraShaSha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZebraShaSha)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447/68 "2009-06-23T03:00:43Z")
Anyone who thinks Tarrantino makes “nauseating” films don’t watch enough films. Go watch some Rape/Revenge films from the 70’s to see what a truly nauseating film is - _Last House on the Left, Lipstick, I Spit On Your Grave,_ etc. For more modern nauseating films, watch any Japanese action/slasher/horror film of the last ten years, especially Takashi Miike. _That_ is gore. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447/69 "2009-06-23T03:48:42Z")
I don’t think you should try to get too deeply into a Tarantino movie. They’re intentionally not deep - they’re more elemental. Tarantino makes movies that are about movies. I don’t see them as satire because Tarantino obviously loves his subject. I see them as a distillation of the essense of pop action movies. And on a seperate note, I have tremendous respect for Tarantino as a director because he has consistenly brought forth some great performances from actors who are not naturally great. Look at the performances people like David Carradine or Pam Grier or Daryl Hannah or Lucy Liu and compare them to the performances they’ve given in other movies. Tarantino is able to elevate them to a higher level. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447/70 "2009-06-23T04:29:34Z")
For the record, I did **not** say Mr. Tarantino makes “nauseating films”, I said they nauseate _me_. For me to say that, would be to make a sweeping generalization, and as a former English teacher, I know better. Yes, I know it’s “splitting hairs”, but if you read all my responses here in this thread, then you know I can admit I may be wrong and I have said as much. I’ll take another look. Okay? Soft:) Q ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447/71 "2009-06-23T18:35:42Z")
> [@De\_La\_Rue](#): > > Or look at _Big Lebowski_, with the completely unneeded death of Donnie, or the climactic clusterfuck in _Burn After Reading_. Time and time again “average citizens” get involved in the world of criminals and killers in the Coens’ movies, and time and time again bad stuff happens. Also good examples. Although, curiously enough, one movie where this doesn’t happen is their gangland epic, _Miller’s Crossing_, which I believe has the highest body count of any of their films - but everyone who gets killed is in the mob, or affiliated with it. > [@](#): > > On the Tarantino side, let’s not forget the jewelry store customers Mr. Blonde shoots in _Reservoir Dogs_, as well as the cop. There are innocent victims in _From Dusk Till Dawn_, but then again that’s a vampire movie. It’s been too long since I’ve seen it, but don’t the other crooks react negatively to Mr. Blonde shooting the customers? I seem to recall them being pissed over him acting “unprofessional,” but I might be conflating the undercover cop’s reaction with the other characters. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447/72 "2009-06-24T00:35:56Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > … It’s been too long since I’ve seen it, but don’t the other crooks react negatively to Mr. Blonde shooting the customers? I seem to recall them being pissed over him acting “unprofessional,” but I might be conflating the undercover cop’s reaction with the other characters. [spoiler]Mr. White (Harvey Keitel) is straight-up livid about Mr. Blonde (Michael Madsen) turning the robbery into a bloodbath. Mr. Pink (Steve Buscemi) however, while not at all happy with Mr. Blonde’s actions, rationalizes it as proof positive that he can’t be the rat that Mr. Pink is sure is among them. > [@](#): > > MR. PINK We’re awful goddamn lucky he didn’t tag us, when he shot up the place. … I came this fucking close-- (hold up two fingers and makes a tiny space between them) --to taking his ass out myself. > … > MR. WHITE What you’re supposed to do is act like a fuckin’ professional. A psychopath is not a professional. You can’t work with a psychopath, 'cause ya don’t know what those sick assholes are gonna do next. I mean, Jesus Christ, how old do you think that black girl was? Twenty, maybe twenty-one? When Mr. Blonde shows up at the rendezvous things quickly come to a head with Mr. White and Mr. Blonde. Mr. Pink’s rationalization for Mr. Blonde’s actions being the thing that stops it from getting bloody, > [@](#): > > Mr. White explodes, raising his gun and charging towards Mr. Blonde. > MR. WHITE Fuck you, maniac! It’s your fuckin’ fault we’re in so much trouble. > Mr. Blonde calmly sits down. He looks to Mr. Pink. > MR. BLONDE (referring to Mr. White) What’s this guy’s problem? > MR. WHITE What’s my problem? Yeah, I gotta problem. I gotta big problem with any trigger-happy madman who almost gets me shot! > MR. BLONDE What’re you talkin’ about? > MR. WHITE That fuckin’ shooting spree in the store. > MR. BLONDE Fuck ‘em, they set off the alarm, they deserve what they got. > MR. WHITE You almost killed me, asshole! If I had any idea what type of guy you were, I never would’ve agreed to work with you. > MR. BLONDE You gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite? > MR. WHITE What was that? I’m sorry, I didn’t catch it. Would you repeat it? > MR. BLONDE (slowly) I said: “Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite.” > MR. PINK Both of you two assholes knock it the fuck off and calm down! > MR. WHITE (to Mr. Blonde) So you wanna git bit, huh? > MR. PINK Cut the bullshit, we ain’t on a fuckin’ playground! (pause) I don’t believe this shit, both of you got ten years on me, and I’m the only one actin’ like a professional. You guys act like a bunch of fuckin’ niggers. You ever work a job with a bunch of niggers? They’re just like you two, always fightin’, always sayin’ they’re gonna kill one another. > MR. WHITE (to Mr. Pink) You said yourself, you thought about takin’ him out. > MR. PINK Then. That time has passed. Right now, Mr. Blonde is the only one I completely trust. He’s too fuckin’ homicidal to be workin’ with the cops. This line sums up Mr. White on Mr. Blonde, > [@](#): > > MR. PINK I don’t wanna kill anybody. But if I gotta get out that door, and you’re standing in my way, one way of the other, you’re gettin’ outta my way. > MR. WHITE That’s the way I look at it. A choice between doin’ ten years, and takin’ out some stupid motherfucker, ain’t no choice at all. But I ain’t no madman either. and he did, > [@](#): > > Mr. Pink and Mr. White still talking in the bathroom. > MR. PINK Tagged a couple of cops. Did you kill anybody? > MR. WHITE A few cops. > MR. PINK No real people? > MR. WHITE Uh-uh, just cops. Mr. White’s strategy for dealing with “real people” was simply being brutal, > [@](#): > > MR. WHITE A store like this is insured up the ass. They’re not supposed to give you any resistance whatsoever. If you get a customer or an employee who thinks he’s Charles Bronson…smash their nose with your gun. Drops him right to the floor. Everyone jumps. He falls down screaming, blood squirts out of his nose. Freaks everybody out. Nobody says fuckin’ shit after that. > Some bitch might talk shit to you. Give her a look like she’s next. Watch her shut the fuck up. > If it’s the manager, that’s different. The managers know not to fuck around…so if he’s giving you static…he probably thinks he’s a real cowboy so you gotta cut that bastard in two. If he won’t tell ya something, cut off one of his fingers. The little one. Then tell him his thumb’s next. > After that he’ll tell you if he wears ladies underwear. Interestingly the only other time we see a “real person” shot is after Mr. Brown is shot and crashes the getaway car, > [@](#): > > Mr. White GRABS Mr. Orange by the coat and YANKS him along as he RUNS. > They EXIT the alley and FLEE down a street. > A car with a FEMALE DRIVER comes up on the two men. > Mr. White JUMPS in her path, stopping the car. He points his gun at her. > MR. WHITE Get us outta here! > Mr. White climbs into the backseat. > Mr. Orange starts to climb in. > The Female driver comes up with a gun from under her seat. > MR. WHITE The bitch’s got a gun! > She SHOOTS Mr. Orange in the stomach. > On instinct Mr. Orange brings up his gun and SHOOTS her in the face. Mr. Orange (Tim Roth) being the undercover cop. I’ve always been curious, and maybe one of fine lawyers might comment, just what kind of trouble would Det. Newandyke have been in for the shooting if he had survived?[/spoiler]CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447/73 "2009-08-24T15:24:18Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > It was hard for me to believe people could be that depraved. Watching Travolta was nauseating to me. > > Also, I like George Clooney’s work, and I can’t for the life of me see those two as having anything in common. I get Tarantino most of the time, the Grindhouse thing being the exception. That kind of depravity is all over the place. That’s how violent career criminals think. It’s work. If you watch any interviews with mob dudes, they talk about murder and torture as if it were commonplace for all of us. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447/74 "2009-08-24T15:34:19Z")
> [@Ellen\_Cherry](#): > > This was going to be my contribution, although far less analytical: I’ve been saying since _Reservoir Dogs_ and, more particularly, _Pulp Fiction_, that Tarantino wields music like a fucking club. Profanity, too, but the music is just killer. > > I’ve never listened to _Stuck In The Middle With You_ in the same way, ever since _Reservoir Dogs_ . I agree. I didn’t even like that song before Tarantino used it in the movie. I hear it with a whole new appreciation now. ---
**Author:** ![wierdaaron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eada6e/32.png) [@wierdaaron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wierdaaron)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447/75 "2009-08-24T16:02:48Z")
Tarantino is a very skilled writer director, but he is also a bit of a movie fanatic. These things create an unusual temporal phenomenon. For contrast, consider Kevin Smith. He is also a huge movie geek, but he’s not super duper skilled as a director. I’m not saying his movies are bad, I just mean (and he’s admitted this) he’s by no means an envelope-pushing director. So, when he makes his geeky movie-reference movies, they are funny and appealing to fellow geeks but not masterpieces of film, so they stay in their niche. Tarantino, on the other hand, is very good at the art of directing. So, when he makes his geeky movie-reference movies, they are exhaled as masterpieces by everyone and expand beyond their niche. After a few years of this, he’s basically been given a free pass to do whatever he wants. So he can write and direct movies that might only make sense to him, but since he wraps them in enough references and pseudo-satire, they are generally well-loved. I never really understood him until I recently saw True Romance. He didn’t direct it, but he wrote it, and it’s sort of what launched his career. Watching the film, knowing Tarantino wrote it, is very telling. It’s about a late-20s schlub who works at a comic book store and could talk about them all day, and watches old kung fu movies and could talk about _them_ all day, but who is somehow so charming that a woman falls so madly in love with him after a few hours of listening to him talk about comics and kung fu movies, despite his lack of money/ambition/skill/practical knowledge, that they are married within days. Can you say ‘wish fulfillment’? Tarantino basically wrote himself into a world where all of his nerdy quirks are, fantastically, exactly what every beautiful woman wants. The rest of his career is just that. He makes movies that take place in a fantasy inside his head where the things he likes are the most important things in the world. For this reason, most movie nerds love his movies, because they so long to live in that fantasy land as well. So to answer the OP’s question, you not “getting” Tarantino films doesn’t really say anything about you except that you’re not a nerd who seeks out that fantasy world. As far as the gore, I think the best way to classify it is to say it’s “ironic.” The quotes around “ironic” are necessary, to connote that the word _ironic_ itself is being used ironically. It’s “ironically” gory. A statement upon or a reference to a concept that doesn’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447/76 "2009-08-24T16:28:44Z")
I have mixed feelings about his other movies, but \*\*Reservoir Dogs \*\*is up there in my top three movies ever. It stands apart and above his others to me. It’s just so perfect. The tone is consistent, the story is told in a great way, and everything wraps up in the end. It’s gorgeous. Maybe I was supposed to take it less seriously, but taking it straight, I loved it. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447/77 "2009-08-24T19:39:53Z")
> [@Kalhoun](#): > > That kind of depravity is all over the place. That’s how violent career criminals think. It’s work. If you watch any interviews with mob dudes, they talk about murder and torture as if it were commonplace for all of us. IMHO, Tarantino and Scorcese two of the only directors who so fully immerse you in the criminal underworld that murder, violence and torture seem ordinary and commonplace. Probably because it is done with the spectacle of, say, Tony Scott (who directed the Tarantino written True Romance). You go from a stupid ordinary conversation about nothing to someone has their brains blown out in a matter of seconds. And it’s all overlayed over what appears to be the ordinary and mundane. \*\*wierdaaron \*\*- See I don’t see the romance between Clarence (Christian Slater) and Alabama (Patricia Arquette) as a hot bombshell falling in love with some dork. Clarence a bit psychotic or at the very least has trouble distinguishing reality from fantasy (he talks to the ghost of Elvis who tells him to kill people). Alabama is emotionally needy and a bit naive. She clings to Clarence not because he is such a great catch but because in the 4 days since she arrived in Detroit he is the only one who doesn’t treat her like a whore. 'Bama interprets Clarence’s killing of Drexl as protecting her but it is really just fulfilling some wish fullfillment revenge fantasy that ultimately brings the mob down on their asses. In many ways their relationships strongly parallels the relationship between Iris and Travis Bickle in Taxi Driver. Anyhow, I can’t wait to see Inglourious Basterds. I always enjoy Hebrew revenge movies. ---
**Author:** ![janeslogin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@janeslogin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/janeslogin)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447/78 "2009-08-24T20:40:44Z")
The bits of Quentin Tarantino that I have seen have a lot of technical affects. I’m rather turned off by technical affects - this is just my thing. I prefer old European and Japanese movies. OP might want to try Rossellini, Visconti, De Sica, ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447/79 "2009-08-24T21:19:00Z")
> [@vandal](#): > > No, it was actually them. They were the ones keeping his towels clean, complimenting his coffee, and working fast so his wife wouldn’t find out. Mr. Wolfe just told them what they needed to do. Actually, this is only half-true: > [@](#): > > Jules: Fuck, nigga, what the fuck did you do to his towel? > Vincent: I was dryin’ my hands. > Jules: You’re supposed to wash 'em first! > Vincent: You watched me wash 'em. > Jules: I watched you get 'em wet. > Vincent: I was washing ‘em. But this shit’s hard to get off. Maybe if I had Lava or something, I coulda done a better job. > Jules: I used the same fuckin’ soap you did and when I got finished, the towel didn’t look like no goddamn Maxi-Pad! ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447/80 "2009-08-24T21:21:07Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Yes, the conversation in the bar. I also like to think it was Butch who keyed Vincent’s car. Unlikely, since Vincent had the face-off with Butch at Marsellus’ place after Vincent’s car was keyed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-i-get-quentin-tarantino-films/500447.md?page=5)