# Why don't men like early Genesis? (Peter Gabriel era) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 24, 2010, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-men-like-early-genesis-peter-gabriel-era/533564 "2010-03-24T01:36:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-men-like-early-genesis-peter-gabriel-era/533564/21 "2010-03-25T04:48:57Z")
You’re right ArchiveGuy. I guess they can’t do PG Genesis forever. > [@Indistinguishable](#): > > It’s amusing how few people seem to have realized this thread is a satire… But I suppose they probably haven’t seen the [target](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=556896). It’s wasn’t very good satire, I’ll admit. Pretty bad by SDMB standards, but doing it at the time, and the reactions since, have been amusing to me too. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-men-like-early-genesis-peter-gabriel-era/533564/22 "2010-03-25T14:57:14Z")
> [@Jim\_s\_Son](#): > > I don’t like early Genesis. > I don’t like middle Genesis > I don’'t like late Genesis. > I don’t like Peter Gabriel. > I don’t like Phil Collins. > I don’t like Mike + the Mechanics. > Have I left anyone out? Tony Banks has a few solo albums, and also did an album with Fish, formerly of Marillion. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-men-like-early-genesis-peter-gabriel-era/533564/23 "2010-03-25T15:33:56Z")
> [@vdgg81](#): > > Same as everyone else here. Am a guy, love **Genesis** , don’t know a single female who’s into the Gabriel-era songs. \*\*Genesis \*\*used to be one of my two or three favorite bands (along with **The Beatles** , **The Who** and **Pink Floyd** ) and I played early Genesis songs all the time and the only people that even tolerated it were other guys. I remember that at the time I came to the conclusion that women were simply incapable of musical appreciation. (I was young and stupid.) > > (Between, I’ve always felt that the loss of Steve Hackett did much more to change the band’s sound than that of Peter Gabriel, which I always found curious. Also, I never understand why Hackett isn’t more talked about as a guitarist. He may not have been as technically gifted as Robert Fripp or Steve Howe but I liked his sound much more than theirs, he was very tasteful for a prog guitarist and showed wonderful restraint.) Agreed. Steve Hackett is the primary reason I much prefer early Genesis to later. His guitar solos on “Ripples” and “Firth of Fifth” give me chills every time I hear them, and “The Musical Box” just flat-out rocks\*. I always toss his name out whenever there is an “underappreciated guitar players” thread. - self-nitpick - Ant Phillips actually wrote most of the guitar work for the “Nursery Cryme” album but he left the band before it was recorded. ---
**Author:** ![GESancMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gesancman/32/2923_2.png) [@GESancMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GESancMan)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-men-like-early-genesis-peter-gabriel-era/533564/24 "2010-03-25T18:14:44Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Tony Banks has a few solo albums, and also did an album with Fish, formerly of Marillion. Fish has done vocals for a couple of tracks on a couple of Tony’s albums; they haven’t done an album together. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2010, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-men-like-early-genesis-peter-gabriel-era/533564/25 "2010-03-25T18:34:44Z")
> [@ArchiveGuy](#): > > …It’s not that men don’t like early Genesis. It’s just that more people in general like the music after he left much more, because it was more poppy and mainstream. This, I must confess, is me. I far prefer the post-PG Genesis. I’ve heard most if not all of the albums from the PG era, and meh. Just doesn’t do it for me. I personally know only two PG-era Genesis fans, a pair of brothers, my cousins, and that’s not the only thing we disagree on. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a9adbd/32.png) [@Mike\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Fun)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-men-like-early-genesis-peter-gabriel-era/533564/26 "2010-03-26T15:08:55Z")
Don’t know a single female who likes the PG era Genesis. Here’s a slight thread jack, but related to the “prog is a sausage fest” idea. I went to see Tony Levin play at a small club a while back and there were literally 5 women in the whole audience. During intermisson, the line to the men’s room was about 20 deep while the ladies’ room was empty. Having seen women do the opposite many times before, I ducked into the ladies’ room and used the facilities. On my way out, one of the 5 women present caught me and gave a weird look. I said “c’mon, you’ve done it before” and she laughed and commented on the lack of females in the audience. ---
**Author:** ![Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hypnagogic_jerk/32/4252_2.png) [@Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypnagogic_Jerk)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-men-like-early-genesis-peter-gabriel-era/533564/27 "2010-03-26T17:36:46Z")
> [@SaharaTea](#): > > My husband is a huge Genesis fan (Peter Gabriel era ONLY). He’s dragged me to several shows by a Genesis tribute band called The Musical Box. The vast majority of the audience at these shows were white dudes in their 40s and 50s. In my experience a good part of the audience at The Musical Box shows are _couples_ in their 40s and 50s. But there are definitely more men than women. > [@Equipoise](#): > > I don’t much understand why they bother with post-Gabriel tours though. What’s the point? I did enjoy them doing _A Trick of the Tail_. Less bombastic than the shows with Gabriel as frontman, but certainly something I wouldn’t have been able to see otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-men-like-early-genesis-peter-gabriel-era/533564/28 "2010-03-26T18:44:14Z")
Just another few datapoints - I and my buddies were pretty big fans of early Genesis and PG, but had no use for the Phil Collins crap. ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-men-like-early-genesis-peter-gabriel-era/533564/29 "2010-03-26T19:25:43Z")
One Phil Collins project that I found worthwhile was Brand X. Their first two albums were quite good. I saw them (w/out Phil–he was touring with Genesis) at UC Davis and they were incredible. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-men-like-early-genesis-peter-gabriel-era/533564/30 "2010-03-26T19:54:14Z")
I sent this thread, in an amusing “look at this” fashion, to a male friend of mine who is definitely an early Genesis superfan. We’ve gone to the Musical Box concerts pretty much every year (except this year, ahem ahem). I enjoy the music too, and I’m a chick, but he introduced it to me. Anyway, he’s been bugging me about why I didn’t add him to the thread. Anyway, here, I added you to this thread, pushy friend who keeps instant messaging me. HIM! HE’S A DUDE AND HE LIKES EARLY GENESIS! ---
**Author:** ![AndyPolley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@AndyPolley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndyPolley)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-men-like-early-genesis-peter-gabriel-era/533564/31 "2010-03-26T20:03:14Z")
I’d like to use this somewhat amusing thread to let the world know that some of those early albums (Like Nursery Cryme) are now finally available, and remastered on iTunes. I just bought (lost my CD ages ago & didn’t have a digital copy) Nursery Cryme & so far it sounds quite good. I’m thrilled just to have it again. Oh, and for a data point, while my wife wouldn’t call herself much of a fan…she will & has gone to Musical Box shows with me…and thinks highly of them. Of course, my wife owned every Rush CD before we were married, so she’s pretty cool with Prog rock (she likes Pink Floyd too.) ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-men-like-early-genesis-peter-gabriel-era/533564/32 "2010-03-26T20:20:51Z")
My wife’s previous boyfriend was hugely into PG-era Genesis, but he was barely male and in no possible definition of the word a “man”. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-men-like-early-genesis-peter-gabriel-era/533564.md?page=1)