# Why don't opera companies stage "Amahl" at Christmastime? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 8, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-opera-companies-stage-amahl-at-christmastime/520474 "2009-12-08T18:29:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-opera-companies-stage-amahl-at-christmastime/520474/1 "2009-12-08T18:29:29Z")
I’m listening to _Amahl and the Night Visitors_, as is my annual wont. I love _Amahl_, and am wondering why it’s never performed. Ballet companies all over the country base their annual budgets on the money they make hand over fist with the obligatory _Nutcracker_ run every December. I’m not suggesting opera companies could do likewise – but surely they could attract audiences (many of them non opera-goers like myself) and turn it into an annual event, building all kinds of repeat business. The staging wouldn’t be all that complicated – one set – and the costumes could be cribbed from other productions. Guess it’s not public domain yet, so you’d have to pay a fee to Menotti (or his estate? is he still alive?) … but it seems logicistically not a big deal. So why don’t they do it? ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-opera-companies-stage-amahl-at-christmastime/520474/2 "2009-12-08T21:58:39Z")
A stack of WAGs and opinion. You’re absolutely right - a quick glance at [OperaBase](http://www.operabase.com/oplist.cgi?id=none&lang=en&is=Amahl&by=Gian+Carlo+Menotti&loc=&stype=abs&sd=8&sm=11&sy=2009&etype=abs&ed=31&em=12&ey=2009) shows only five productions world wide. That’s pretty few for such a tuneful, accessible piece that’s themed around Christmas. I’m sorry to tell you that Menotti is not very highly thought of in the upper echelons of opera companies. I know here in Toronto it hasn’t been done since a lovely Canadian Opera Company Ensemble production in 1981 (!); I saw a production in Edmonton in 1982 while I was there, but since then, I haven’t seen it at all - companies seem content to leave this piece to universities and amateur groups. I’m afraid it suffers for a couple of reasons - one, it has passed its fiftieth anniversary, which would have been an excellent time for a major revival. Two, its relative age works against it - there’s more cachet to doing a World Premiere than there is to doing a remount of any piece. At present, contemporary opera is exploring less atonal, shocking compositions than, say 30 years ago, so you would think that Gian Carlo would fit right in with the style of ‘Little Women’ (for one example); but dear old Menotti just doesn’t seem to get the respect that I feel he deserves. Certainly around Toronto, it was well known that the Artistic Director and Artistic Administrator of the aforementioned COC _ **hated** _ Menotti’s music, and it was to a singer’s disadvantage to start with a Menotti piece in an audition. Opera companies that share their house with a Ballet company will find it difficult, because that Ballet company is going to want to cover their debts with a Nutcracker in those weeks. I’ll tell you for nothing, though; the first impresario that puts a production together using Celine Dion as the Mother, Andrea Bocelli as Kaspar, Josh Groban as Melchior, etc. and shoots it for a DVD is going to make more money than you thought existed! ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-opera-companies-stage-amahl-at-christmastime/520474/3 "2009-12-08T23:00:17Z")
I was going to say “Our local company is doing it!” (And I was almost in it), but it’s one of the five on **Ministre’s** list, so it doesn’t really contradict the point. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-opera-companies-stage-amahl-at-christmastime/520474/4 "2009-12-08T23:02:11Z")
I’m surprised to hear that it’s not done that often these days. When I was a young teen, our local opera troupe (run by my high school music teacher) seemed to perform it every other year for a few years running. I was in the chorus once I was old enough. We also performed it in our high school a couple of years before I got there. It’d be great hosted by a church – a an easy production, relatively speaking, and lots of nice choral/dancing roles for the non-solo-level performers. A shame it’s fallen by the wayside. Does OperaBase track non-professional companies? Church groups, etc.? 'Cause perhaps it’s actually missing some smaller entities. ---
**Author:** ![BrotherCadfael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BrotherCadfael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrotherCadfael)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-opera-companies-stage-amahl-at-christmastime/520474/5 "2009-12-08T23:09:44Z")
I did it in high school. Is it perhaps considered not challenging enough? Or too much of a kids show? ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-opera-companies-stage-amahl-at-christmastime/520474/6 "2009-12-08T23:18:49Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > … one, it has passed its fiftieth anniversary, which would have been an excellent time for a major revival. FWIW, [the Wikipedia entry](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amahl_and_the_Night_Visitors) indicates that the opera was first performed in 1951: > [@](#): > > _Amahl and the Night Visitors_ is an opera in one act by Gian Carlo Menotti with an original English libretto by the composer. It was commissioned by NBC and first performed on December 24, 1951 in New York City, at NBC studio 8H in Rockefeller Center, where it was broadcast live on television as the debut production of the _Hallmark Hall of Fame_. It was the first opera specifically composed for television in America. The opera is now a popular Christmas classic. “Is **now** Popular Christmas classic”? :dubious: Looks like it had a nice run on TV in the 50s & 60s, but then more or less disappeared out of the public consciousness after: > [@](#): > > Menotti never approved of [NBC’s] 1963 production, and in May 1966 when the rights to future broadcasts reverted to him, the composer refused to allow it to be shown again. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-opera-companies-stage-amahl-at-christmastime/520474/7 "2009-12-08T23:26:57Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > “Is **now** Popular Christmas classic”? :dubious: Looks like it had a nice run on TV in the 50s & 60s, but then more or less disappeared out of the public consciousness after: Yeah, but a lot of people who remember it from their childhoods (like me) drag out the CD every year. I appreciate your very thoughtful explanation, **Ministre** – it all makes sense. Still seems like a damned shame, though. (I’ve never seen it live, amateur or pro.) ---
**Author:** ![Valgard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Valgard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valgard)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-opera-companies-stage-amahl-at-christmastime/520474/8 "2009-12-08T23:38:29Z")
It’s too similar to Mozart’s **Don Giovanni**. Everyone knows if you’ve Don Juan you’ve done Amahl. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-opera-companies-stage-amahl-at-christmastime/520474/9 "2009-12-08T23:58:11Z")
> [@Valgard](#): > > It’s too similar to Mozart’s **Don Giovanni**. > > Everyone knows if you’ve Don Juan you’ve done Amahl. > > 😃 😕 :eek: 😛 ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-opera-companies-stage-amahl-at-christmastime/520474/10 "2009-12-09T00:19:11Z")
> [@Valgard](#): > > It’s too similar to Mozart’s **Don Giovanni**. > > Everyone knows if you’ve Don Juan you’ve done Amahl. > > 😃 :smack: I have to post in this thread just in appreciation of that. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-opera-companies-stage-amahl-at-christmastime/520474/11 "2009-12-09T02:41:10Z")
> [@Valgard](#): > > It’s too similar to Mozart’s **Don Giovanni**. > > Everyone knows if you’ve Don Juan you’ve done Amahl. > > 😃 I don’t know whether to fall on the floor laughing or cry in pain… ---
**Author:** ![Serenata67](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/serenata67/32/10646_2.png) [@Serenata67](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Serenata67)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-opera-companies-stage-amahl-at-christmastime/520474/12 "2009-12-09T17:48:43Z")
I saw it in college; it seems as though it’s a pretty simplistic work. I mean, that could be how the students performed it (none of those in the work were ones who I could feel were bound for stardom). They might find if below them to do it. And I must say, I love **Valgard** ’s Don Juan line. That’s great. ---
**Author:** ![melodyharmonius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/melodyharmonius/32/21310_2.png) [@melodyharmonius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/melodyharmonius)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-opera-companies-stage-amahl-at-christmastime/520474/13 "2009-12-09T17:57:34Z")
Our college put it on - so did my church (which had a professional choir director). It’s great - but I have to groan at **Valgard.** ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-opera-companies-stage-amahl-at-christmastime/520474/14 "2009-12-09T17:59:03Z")
> [@Serenata67](#): > > I saw it in college; it seems as though it’s a pretty simplistic work. I mean, that could be how the students performed it (none of those in the work were ones who I could feel were bound for stardom). They might find if below them to do it. Question for the opera-knowledgable: could a modern company take _Amahl_, and then “add in” all that is seen to be lacking? I don’t know … perform the music in a different way (maybe massive re-arrangements of the same songs), put tons more money into the sets, etc. Menotti would still be fully credited, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-opera-companies-stage-amahl-at-christmastime/520474/15 "2009-12-09T18:19:04Z")
> [@Valgard](#): > > It’s too similar to Mozart’s **Don Giovanni**. > > Everyone knows if you’ve Don Juan you’ve done Amahl. > > 😃 I was going to make a similar joke. Yours however, was not only earlier, but done better. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-opera-companies-stage-amahl-at-christmastime/520474/16 "2009-12-09T18:43:52Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I don’t know whether to fall on the floor laughing or cry in pain… I’ll join you. **Valgard** , that was brilliant/horrible. ---
**Author:** ![ryobserver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b2d939/32.png) [@ryobserver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ryobserver)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-opera-companies-stage-amahl-at-christmastime/520474/17 "2009-12-09T23:37:47Z")
I can’t offhand think of another opera whose title character is a small boy. Could that create a casting problem? Small boys who can (and WILL) sing opera can’t be that common these days. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-opera-companies-stage-amahl-at-christmastime/520474/18 "2009-12-09T23:42:34Z")
> [@ryobserver](#): > > I can’t offhand think of another opera whose title character is a small boy. Could that create a casting problem? Small boys who can (and WILL) sing opera can’t be that common these days. A boy is optimal but not necessary. Our production used a young woman with a clear, pure, high soprano. Worked very well. ---
**Author:** ![Serenata67](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/serenata67/32/10646_2.png) [@Serenata67](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Serenata67)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-opera-companies-stage-amahl-at-christmastime/520474/19 "2009-12-09T23:53:03Z")
The production I saw had a petite soprano woman playing the part of Amahl. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-opera-companies-stage-amahl-at-christmastime/520474/20 "2009-12-11T23:37:55Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Question for the opera-knowledgable: could a modern company take _Amahl_, and then “add in” all that is seen to be lacking? I don’t know … perform the music in a different way (maybe massive re-arrangements of the same songs), put tons more money into the sets, etc. Menotti would still be fully credited, of course. Maybe, but probably not an opera company, and probably not in the direction of making it more operatic. Let me try to justify that opinion. In general, opera companies prefer to leave the music ‘as the composer intended’. Revising usually means using an earlier or a later version as the basis for changing something. Occasionally, as in Magic Flute, scenes will be switched around to try and make a better through line, dramatically speaking. Sometimes, an opera will get ‘finished’ by another composer - Berg’s “Lulu” or Puccini’s “Turandot” are the first two major examples that come to mind. The story of the premiere of Turandot is particularly touching - > [@](#): > > The premiere of Turandot was at La Scala, Milan, on Sunday April 25, 1926, one year and five months after Puccini’s death. It was conducted by Arturo Toscanini. In the middle of Act III, two measures after the words “Liù, poesia!”, the orchestra rested. Toscanini stopped and laid down his baton. He turned to the audience and announced: “Qui finisce l’opera, perché a questo punto il maestro è morto” (“Here the opera ends, because at this point the maestro died”). The curtain was lowered slowly. from the [Wikipedia article](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turandot). In general, though, pieces are performed as the composer left them. The thing that works best about Amahl, in my opinion, is the simplicity with which the story is treated. There isn’t much to be gained from setting it in another place or time, and I can’t see an elaborate set adding much to things either. Part of why people set ‘Boheme’ in 1960’s NYC or ‘Norma’ in Belfast during the height of the troubles is that there is some sort of parallel between the original setting and the setting of the director’s concept. I’m struggling desperately to think of an altered setting that could possibly add to the power of Amahl as it is, and I’m not coming up with anything that wouldn’t ruin it. So now I start thinking of Amahl as something redone as a piece of strong musical theatre - not big, splashy ‘Cats’ or ‘Les Mis’ kind of stuff, and most certainly not like the ‘Rent’ reworking of ‘Boheme’ or the ‘Miss Saigon’ reworking of Madama Butterfly, but something where that quiet simplicity allows the singing actors to tell the story, with nothing in the way. Sort of like ‘Man of La Mancha’, only not even that flashy. It’s about a single mother and her brilliant, imaginative son, and how their lives change in a single night, when a seed of hope is planted in the rough ground of despair. Anyway, I think that’s the trick with it - I wouldn’t want to see it gussied up any, if anything, I’d like to see it go to people in rags living in a lean-to off the sheep pens and everything else is ‘outdoors’. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-opera-companies-stage-amahl-at-christmastime/520474.md?page=2)