# Why don't printing places like Photoshop? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [April 19, 2011, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-printing-places-like-photoshop/578992 "2011-04-19T19:45:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-printing-places-like-photoshop/578992/41 "2011-04-20T06:43:16Z")
> [@gotpasswords](#): > > I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to take a ratty copy of someone’s logo off their website or worse, off a business card… Argh! Been there, done that. You want to fly through a 3D logo, but can’t bother tracking down the originate artwork? ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-printing-places-like-photoshop/578992/42 "2011-04-20T09:05:00Z")
I do most of my graphic work in InDesign or Illustrator, with PDFs from Photoshop. One thing that’s slightly off-topic: Don’t assume that the printer’s fonts are the same as yours. Even fonts with the same name can be different. So always include copies of your own fonts with any printer job . . . or do what I do: Convert all type to outlines, so you don’t have to worry about fonts at all. Of course, always save a copy of the non-converted files. If you have to make changes in the text, you want to be working with actual fonts. ---
**Author:** ![Wallenstein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b5a626/32.png) [@Wallenstein](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wallenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-printing-places-like-photoshop/578992/43 "2011-04-20T10:20:05Z")
It also depends if you’re just asking for a simple print run, or if you’re expecting the Printers to do any manipulation. A JPEG is fine if it’s simply going to be pushed through their printers, but as soon as you ask for any tweaks you run into problems. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-printing-places-like-photoshop/578992/44 "2011-04-20T12:09:06Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > One thing that’s slightly off-topic: Don’t assume that the printer’s fonts are the same as yours. Even fonts with the same name can be different. So always include copies of your own fonts with any printer job . . . or do what I do: Convert all type to outlines, so you don’t have to worry about fonts at all. Of course, always save a copy of the non-converted files. If you have to make changes in the text, you want to be working with actual fonts. When I submitted jobs to a Lino as EPS, that was a serious problem. With embedded fonts in PDF, no longer an issue. Another reason I like PDFs. And I have found that converting fonts to outlines may change the appearance, so be careful. ---
**Author:** ![ChrisBooth12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@ChrisBooth12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChrisBooth12)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-printing-places-like-photoshop/578992/45 "2011-04-20T16:45:15Z")
I used to work on a printing press the term raster is correct, ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-printing-places-like-photoshop/578992/46 "2011-04-20T16:58:37Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > When I submitted jobs to a Lino as EPS, that was a serious problem. With embedded fonts in PDF, no longer an issue. Another reason I like PDFs. > > And I have found that converting fonts to outlines may change the appearance, so be careful. But some fonts may not be licensed for embedding in a PDF. Stupid, but that’s the way they are. It’s always good to have ‘create outlines’ as a backup. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-printing-places-like-photoshop/578992/47 "2011-04-20T17:03:43Z")
> [@Sunspace](#): > > But some fonts may not be licensed for embedding in a PDF. Stupid, but that’s the way they are. It’s always good to have ‘create outlines’ as a backup. Licensed or not, they get embedded in my output, always. Never had a complaint from anyone in the production chain, and the software doesn’t seem to care, either. ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-printing-places-like-photoshop/578992/48 "2011-04-20T17:31:03Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Licensed or not, they get embedded in my output, always. Never had a complaint from anyone in the production chain, and the software doesn’t seem to care, either. I seem to remember running into situations where the software simply would not permit the font to be embedded. :: tearing of hair :: And then there’s subsetting. Why is the default in Acrobat not turning subsetting _off?!!_ :: glances around thread :: I think we scared away the OP… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-printing-places-like-photoshop/578992.md?page=2)