Why don't terrorists blow up airports?

mostly this.
And also remember that if such things did happen every month, the public would become used to them and they would lose their impact. terrorist leaders are smart. They don’t want to throw away their main weapon through overuse.

Also, I would argue that the main effect of the plane hijackings is the huge increase in security costs. Bin Laden didn’t think the twin towers would actually collapse, that was an unexpected benny. But he did realize that security, every day in every way, would greatly increase and with greatly increased costs. If you think about it, airports are one of the few places where we can increase security. Bombing a food court would cause mass casualties but we can’t put guards on every mall entrance everywhere. I am going to skip lightly over Israel because that is a special case. The dynamics of terrorism there are so extreme I don’t think other places in the world have their circumstances. So the main benefit of the attack wouldn’t be realized. Train stations and subways, they might also be candidates-but those were attacked and governments around the world didn’t take the bait. Terrorists are smart. If something doesn’t work, why repeat it?

I was just going to post something like this.

Highly simplistic. Terrorist master minds are scum there is no doubt about it, butnthey are intelligent scum (at least the more successful ones). I wish they were cowardly and dumb, it would make eliminating them so much easier.

It’s only the dumb part that would help. It’s their cowardice that makes them hard to eliminate.

Too many attacks in Israel to cite at the moment for me.

Uh, …

News boring lately? I think the answer should be given in two parts:

  1. There aren’t really that many terrorists attacking the west - they’re busy killing each other in Pakistan and Palestine.
  2. [rant] The massive collective trauma created by 9/11 caused concern for airborne terrorism to reach entirely irrational heights, resulting in the preposterous good-for-nothing show we see at airports today.* [/rant]
  • And also, people need to read statistics and forget about terrorism. What, doesn’t anybody get that the whole point of terrorism is to get people talking about it?

As stated above, Israel is kind of a special case. (Lucky Israel.)

It just seems that if the terrorists really want to rape the public subconsious, they would do acts which seem like they could happen to anyone. A lot of redneck farmers don’t care about flying because they never go on an airplane. However, blow up a food court at rush hour or start having massacres in random places across America ala James Holmes and you can have the public in your grip. The only thing that stopped security at movie theatres is the fact that we all pretty quickly realized this is just one crazy dude. If it happened again, and again, and again, there’d certainly be a whole different discussion going on.

Israel is not the only country in the world to have faced a terrorist campaign. The terrorists policy of indiscriminate attacks in Pakistan has eliminated whatever support they might have had. The PIRA attacks on remembrance day parades in N Ireland also eroded support for them.

Well it does happen, just not very often (and not in the USA yet). A nightclub in Bali, hotels in Egypt, a restaurant in Marrakesh quite recently, to name three examples off the top of my head.

Just not that many actual terrorists running around, is my guess.

Ramp up security at the train station, the football stadium, the airport baggage drop. Then do the bus stations. Then the malls.

There will always be soft targets with large amounts of people. Are there armed Federal agents at high school football games? No? Boom. Thousand people dead. Hell, you could park a half mile away with decent semi-auto rifle and just start plugging rounds into the stands.

Yet, it doesn’t happen.

Yes, few people (thanks to Hollywood and CNN) realize that after Munich and a few spectacular terrorist attcks around Europe, Arafat and his gang realized that their actions were counter-productive and mainly stuck to attacking Israel and targets associated with it - but not before giving us the meme of the rabid middle-eastern random killer.

Al Qeda hates the USA, for having bases in Saudi Arabia and for attacking and occupying Iraq in the middle east. (Although ROn Paul got booed for pointing this out at a Republican debate). As the Americans withdraw from that area, Al Qeda has tried to focus on the idea “were’re helping defeat Israel” to drum up support.

Even Palestine/Israel is a special case - the Palestinian groups want to make a point that there will be no peace, even for civilians, until the occupation ends (on their terms, of course… plus they want… and also…) For most other causes, killing random civilians for gits and shiggles is not productive. Usually the target is specific - an country’s airline, a government entity, army personnel, etc.

I think aircraft are targets because it makes everyone think “it could happen to me”, whereas bus stops, malls, and trains are more localized. If I don’t commute in Madrid or London, my concern is much lower.

The suicide bombers are a recent development exploiting the weak-minded and deluded; but there is a limit to the number of fanatic types who sympathize with al Qeda or such and can move freely in western countries and have not set off alarms already. Look at the bottom of the barrel they were scraping with the shoe bomber and the underwear bomber.

Another issue is money. It’s no surprise that a lot of the counterintelligence has concentrated on funds. It takes a lot of money to house 19 guys in the USA for months and pay their way through flight school. Obtaining explosives and other material without arousing suspicions is another hurdle. Airline tickets are not cheap. And so on…

The biggest problem with 9-11 seems to be that the authorities were complacent and unwilling to dig deep. That changed.

The Glasgow attack for example had several problems - the people were already being sought, they couldn’t build a decent bomb and had no resources that could do that for them, and the concrete posts did the job they were designed to do. Some of that was dumb luck, some of it was the limitations such an group trying to accomplish anything with today’s security.

Remember the Washington sniper shootings? This wasn’t an organized terrorist attack but I once read somebody who said this would have been the basis for a serious terrorist campaign.

Get around fifty or so terrorists and equip them with rifles, vehicles, and a stash of money and fake ID’s. Then set them loose in America. Have each of them driving around the country and shooting random citizens every few days.

It would quickly become obvious this was an ongoing nationwide attack. And virtually everyone in the country would be a potential target. The public panic level would be massive.

And how would you stop it? Current serial killers often go uncaught for years and these snipers would have better advantages. Even if you did catch some of them, there’s no connection between them as a group so the rest would still keep going. And the terrorist organization behind them could always send out replacements.

Those rocket scientists thought they would be cute and started leaving notes making comments referencing other shootings that eventually allowed the police to figure them out.

If they had just kept their mouth shut and kept going, they could have continued until the money ran out. Even then with a few of the right contacts, they could have been funded and kept going indefinitely.

I’ve thought about this as well and pretty much came up to the same conclusion. The only other thing I can think of is they have plenty of people wanting to blow themselves up but have trouble getting them here. Why? Not sure. Security actually works? They don’t have any money? They don’t have the mental willpower to go through the hurdles to get here?

I think think some of that applies…but I just have to think that there just aren’t that many muslims that want to die and take innocent people with them.

Our brilliant government was convinced this plan was implemented and waited for the execution from the Al Qaeda sleeper cells following 9/11. Turned out there weren’t any. It gives too much credit to these assholes. They didn’t have enough enthralled shit-for-brains to pull off an attack like that, and likely never will.

Their main weapon is surprise. Surprise and fear. Two! Their two main weapons …

That’s another key factor in the plan I described - it’s not a suicide mission. I have to feel the pool of potential terrorist recruits willing to kill other people is larger than the pool of people willing to kill themselves.

This is long, but I think it will be of interest.

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/terrorism-and-not-so-exceptional-individual

“Terrorism and the Not-So-Exceptional Individual” is republished with permission of Stratfor.

Terrorism and the Not-So-Exceptional Individual
May 24, 2012

By Scott Stewart

In last week’s Security Weekly, we used a thwarted underwear bomb plot, as well as the U.S. government’s easing the rules of engagement for unmanned aerial vehicle strikes in Yemen, as an opportunity to examine the role of exceptional individuals in militant groups that conduct terrorist attacks. Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula’s (AQAP’s) innovative bombmaker, Ibrahim al-Asiri, is one such individual.

Reported by AP on May 7, the news of the thwarted underwear plot overshadowed another event in Yemen that occurred May 6: a U.S. airstrike in Shabwa province that killed Fahd al-Quso, a Yemeni militant wanted for his involvement in the attack against the USS Cole in October 2000. Al-Quso appeared in a video released by AQAP’s al-Malahim Media in May 2010, during which he threatened attacks against the continental United States, its embassy in Yemen and warships in the waters surrounding Yemen.

The media and the U.S. government frequently mention al-Quso’s involvement in the USS Cole bombing, but they rarely discuss his precise duty the day of the attack. Al-Quso had been tasked to record the attack from ashore so that the video could be used later in al Qaeda propaganda. Unfortunately for the group, al-Quso was derelict in his duty; he slept through his alarm, and the attack went unrecorded.

Oversleeping a terrorist attack was not al-Quso’s only operational gaffe. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, al-Quso had been dispatched in January 2001 to transport money to al Qaeda facilitator Walid bin Attash in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. The money reportedly funded the travel and initial living expenses of 9/11 operatives Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khaled al-Midhar. However, al-Quso failed to get a Malaysian visa. He was stuck in Bangkok, and bin Attash, al-Hazmi and al-Midhar had to meet him in Bangkok to retrieve the funds.

If al-Asiri gives cause to discuss the role of the exceptional individual in terrorism operations, al-Quso provides us the opportunity to discuss the not-so exceptional individual – and how these maladroit actors nonetheless pose a threat.

Tradecraft Errors

The history of al Qaeda’s war against the United States is replete with examples of jihadist operations that were foiled due to tradecraft failures. In September 1992, Ahmed Ajaj attempted to enter the United States with a poorly altered Swedish passport while carrying a suitcase full of bombmaking instructions and other training manuals and videos. Both lapses in judgment are characteristic of a novice. An alert customs inspector stopped Ajaj, who later was detained and charged with passport fraud.

Ajaj was traveling from Osama bin Laden’s Khaldan training camp in Afghanistan with Abdel Basit, also known as Ramzi Yousef, the mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center attack. An immigration inspector likewise stopped Basit, but he requested political asylum. Because he was not carrying a suitcase full of bombmaking manuals or using an altered passport, Basit later was released pending a hearing on his asylum claim. (Had he remained in custody, the 1993 World Trade Center bombing would not have been conducted.)

In another instance of tradecraft error, the would-be millennium bomber, Ahmed Ressam, fell victim to “burn syndrome” while attempting to enter the United States from Canada in December 1999. Ressam panicked when approached by a U.S. customs inspector, who was performing a routine check of the ferry on which he was traveling. The inspector was unaware that Ressam was an Islamist militant or that he was in operational mode. In fact, when Ressam lost his composure, she assumed he was smuggling drugs rather than explosives.

The 9/11 Commission Report also detailed a number of errors committed by the supposed al Qaeda elite prior to hijacking the four aircraft on 9/11. Mohammed Atta was cited for driving with an invalid license and failed to appear at the subsequent court hearing, causing a bench warrant to be issued for his arrest. Moreover, known al Qaeda associates al-Hamzi and al-Midhar entered the United States under their own names. (A flight instructor even characterized al-Hamzi and al-Midhar as “Dumb and Dumber,” saying they were “clueless” as would-be pilots.) Any of these errors could have brought down the entire 9/11 operation.

More recently, we have seen cases where individuals such as Faisal Shahzad and Najibullah Zazi have shown the intent, but not the ability, to conduct attacks. While Shahzad was able to assemble a large vehicle-borne improvised explosive device without detection, the design of the device’s firing chain was seriously flawed – clearly the work of a novice. U.S. government surveillance of Zazi’s activities determined that he was an inexperienced bombmaker and that he could not create the proper chemical mixture to manufacture effective triacetone triperoxide (TATP). This is common problem for novice bombmakers. We have seen several planned attacks, such as the London bomb attempt on July 21, 2005, fizzle out due to bad batches of TATP.

In another example, U.S. Army Pfc. Naser Jason Abdo was arrested and charged with planning an attack on Ft. Hood in July 2011. Abdo was brought to the attention of the authorities after purchasing smokeless powder to be used in an improvised explosive device. His furtive demeanor caused a store clerk to report him to the police.

As Stratfor has noted, there has been a shift in the jihadist threat. Once stemming from the al Qaeda core, the jihadist threat now emanates primarily from grassroots jihadists. While grassroots jihadists pose a more diffuse threat because they are more difficult than hierarchical groups for national intelligence and law enforcement agencies to detect, they also pose a less severe threat because they generally lack the terrorist tradecraft required to conduct a large-scale attack. Since they lack such tradecraft, they tend to seek assistance to conduct their plots. This assistance usually involves the acquisition of explosives or firearms, as seen in the February 2010 case involving Amine el Khalifi. In this case, an FBI informant posing as a jihadist leader provided the suspect with an inert suicide vest and a submachine gun before the suspect’s arrest for plotting to attack the U.S. Capitol building.

The dynamic of would-be attackers reaching out for help has been seen repeatedly in the United States. In June 2011, two jihadists were arrested in Seattle and charged with plotting to attack a U.S. Military Entrance Processing Station in an industrial area south of downtown Seattle. The men attempted to obtain M16 rifles and hand grenades from an FBI informant. Notably, this trend also has been seen outside the jihadist world. On April 30, five self-identified anarchists were arrested in connection with a plot to destroy a bridge outside Cleveland, Ohio. They had purchased remotely detonated improvised explosive devices from an FBI informant.

The Cleveland group had previously discussed constructing improvised explosive mixtures using recipes they had found on the Internet. But the possibility of buying authentic C4 explosives was attractive to them because, according to the FBI criminal complaint filed in the case, the group believed the real explosives would be more powerful and destructive than homemade explosives.

Would-be attackers, such as Shahzad and the anarchists of the Cleveland group, typically do not have a realistic assessment of their capabilities and therefore tend to attempt attacks that are beyond their capabilities. In attempting a spectacular attack, they frequently achieve little or nothing. As we have previously noted, it is a rare individual who possesses the requisite combination of will, discipline, adaptability and technical skill to make the leap from theory to practice and become a successful militant in a lone-wolf or small-cell environment.
The Danger of ‘Kramer Jihadists’

Through retrospective trial testimony or FBI arrest affidavits, the exploits of Abdo, el Khalifi or the Cleveland anarchists can appear almost comical. In fact, such cases often leave people wondering if ridiculous would-be attackers could be involved in terrorist activity to begin with. However, militant groups – indeed, most organizations – are composed of exceptional individuals and not-so-exceptional individuals. Just as the business world needs chief executive officers, engineers and assembly line workers, the militant world needs operational planners, bombmakers, foot soldiers and suicide bombers. Placed in the proper roles, these individuals can combine their efforts to produce effective results.

It is easy to dismiss novice militants as inept, but we should keep in mind that if some of these individuals found an actual terrorist facilitator rather than a federal informant, they probably would have killed many people in an attack. Richard Reid, often referred to as the “Kramer of al Qaeda” after the bumbling character from the television series Seinfeld, came very close to taking down a jumbo jet full of people over the Atlantic Ocean because he had been equipped and dispatched by those more capable than himself. Working under the leadership of exceptional individuals, even al-Hamzi and al-Midhar (“Dumb and Dumber”) helped hijack American Airlines Flight 77, which was crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11.

The 1993 World Trade Center bombing provides a valuable lesson on dealing with Kramer jihadists. Before the attack, a government informant infiltrated the core group of perpetrators. After the informant proved to be too difficult to handle, coverage of the group was dropped because its members were considered inept. In truth, many of them were; one suspect, Mohammed Salameh, tried to retrieve the deposit he put down on the rental truck used to transport the bomb. But this only highlights the importance of the exceptional individual – in this case, Abdel Basit. He was sent to New York to lead what proved to be a successfully executed bomb plot.

History demonstrates clearly that even groups of bumbling aspiring attackers can be organized successfully if they are empowered by someone who provides them with means and oversight. Accordingly, authorities cannot afford to ignore bumblers, no matter how inept they may appear.

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Then presidents and generals are also cowards since they don’t put their own lives on the line, either. Be it an elected president or a terrorist, that’s not a leader’s job.